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Jeff Probst calls Survivor player's attempt to steal rice a 'mob boss move'
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Brian Smith
2024-09-28 06:25:56 UTC
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Jeff Probst calls Survivor player's attempt to steal rice a 'mob boss move'

The host also reveals what it would take for "a very different side of
me" to come out.

By Dalton Ross

Published on September 26, 2024 07:00AM EDT

Survivor 47’s second episode included an epic immunity challenge where
teams had to transport a big bag of rice across both sea and land,
before cutting open the bag and retrieving a ball to use on a winding
snake trap.

But that epic challenge was overshadowed by an epic attempt by one of
the players to steal some of the rice in the challenge. While watching
three of her Gata tribemates attempt to navigate the aforementioned
snake trap, Rachel LaMont decided to make herself a little to-go bag… in
her pants! Which is to say she started subtly scooping up fistfuls of
rice and pouring them into her pocket in the hopes of transporting the
food back to camp to eat.

Unfortunately for the wannabe rice thief, host Jeff Probst had clearly
been tipped-off to the five-finger discount… which is what tends to
happen when you have a massive camera crew as well as numerous producers
on hand watching your every move. Probst made Rachel pour out all the
rice before leaving the challenge in an exchange that was one of the
highlights of the episode. However, on the latest episode of the On Fire
With Jeff Probst podcast, the host and showrunner reveals that the
entire incident almost did not even make it to air.

On the podcast, Probst says he was called by executive producer Matt Van
Wagenen, who mentioned that they wanted to add it into the final cut.
“And so I looked at it,” Probst says, “and my feeling was 100 percent,
because this is character. Rachel tried to steal rice in front of me, in
front of 20 camera operators, in front of the challenge department, all
our judges, in front of standards and practices, in front of all of our
producers. That's a mob boss move!”

Was Probst upset about the deception? On the contrary: “I respected it.”
Even if he’s not completely sure why she did it. “Who really knows the
real reason Rachel did that? Maybe it was just to get some rice, or
maybe Rachel did it to show another part of her personality. Maybe she
wanted people to know, ‘Hey, I'm not as quiet as you think’. And maybe
it's who Rachel really is. Maybe it's not Rachel at all, and she just
wants others to see that part of her because the game is always afoot.”

While Probst enjoyed both the effort on Rachel’s part and the exchange
that followed, there is another level of deception that will not be
tolerated. “I have to say one thing just for fans and players from a
producer standpoint,” Probst warns. “There's a very fine line when it
comes to having fun and messing with the integrity of the game. What
Rachel did was fun. It was playful. It was in front of everyone. She
knew what she was doing. She knew it was almost certain that she'd be
caught. And when she got caught, she had a very playful attitude about
it. So there was no issue at all with me regarding that moment.”

He continues: “But we have a couple of very clear rules about what is
and is not allowed. And if a player were to break one of those very few
rules, we'd have a very different situation and a very different side of
me comes out. And that goes back to our earlier chat about integrity. We
give the players an incredible amount of latitude to play their game
however they want. We just expect the same respect in return.”

But isn’t that taunting the starving players by putting all that rice
right in front of them and then not allowing them to have any of it? “I
am going to take it back to the challenge team and say, ‘If we don't
need rice, maybe we should consider sand or something else,’” concedes
the host. “This is not a time when we want to taunt them, and maybe
that's what ended up happening with Rachel.”

Whatever the reason, it made for great television, if not a great rice
heist.

To listen to Probst break down the entire episode — including the latest
elimination — check out On Fire With Jeff Probst.

https://ew.com/jeff-probst-survivor-player-steal-rice-mob-boss-move-8718644
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Brian
Rick
2024-09-28 12:09:47 UTC
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Post by Brian Smith
Trigger Warning!!!
________________________________________________________________________
Jeff Probst calls Survivor player's attempt to steal rice a 'mob boss move'
The host also reveals what it would take for "a very different side of
me" to come out.
By Dalton Ross
Published on September 26, 2024 07:00AM EDT
Survivor 47’s second episode included an epic immunity challenge where
teams had to transport a big bag of rice across both sea and land,
before cutting open the bag and retrieving a ball to use on a winding
snake trap.
But that epic challenge was overshadowed by an epic attempt by one of
the players to steal some of the rice in the challenge. While watching
three of her Gata tribemates attempt to navigate the aforementioned
snake trap, Rachel LaMont decided to make herself a little to-go bag… in
her pants! Which is to say she started subtly scooping up fistfuls of
rice and pouring them into her pocket in the hopes of transporting the
food back to camp to eat.
Unfortunately for the wannabe rice thief, host Jeff Probst had clearly
been tipped-off to the five-finger discount… which is what tends to
happen when you have a massive camera crew as well as numerous producers
on hand watching your every move. Probst made Rachel pour out all the
rice before leaving the challenge in an exchange that was one of the
highlights of the episode. However, on the latest episode of the On Fire
With Jeff Probst podcast, the host and showrunner reveals that the
entire incident almost did not even make it to air.
On the podcast, Probst says he was called by executive producer Matt Van
Wagenen, who mentioned that they wanted to add it into the final cut.
“And so I looked at it,” Probst says, “and my feeling was 100 percent,
because this is character. Rachel tried to steal rice in front of me, in
front of 20 camera operators, in front of the challenge department, all
our judges, in front of standards and practices, in front of all of our
producers. That's a mob boss move!”
Was Probst upset about the deception? On the contrary: “I respected it.”
Even if he’s not completely sure why she did it. “Who really knows the
real reason Rachel did that? Maybe it was just to get some rice, or
maybe Rachel did it to show another part of her personality. Maybe she
wanted people to know, ‘Hey, I'm not as quiet as you think’. And maybe
it's who Rachel really is. Maybe it's not Rachel at all, and she just
wants others to see that part of her because the game is always afoot.”
While Probst enjoyed both the effort on Rachel’s part and the exchange
that followed, there is another level of deception that will not be
tolerated. “I have to say one thing just for fans and players from a
producer standpoint,” Probst warns. “There's a very fine line when it
comes to having fun and messing with the integrity of the game. What
Rachel did was fun. It was playful. It was in front of everyone. She
knew what she was doing. She knew it was almost certain that she'd be
caught. And when she got caught, she had a very playful attitude about
it. So there was no issue at all with me regarding that moment.”
He continues: “But we have a couple of very clear rules about what is
and is not allowed. And if a player were to break one of those very few
rules, we'd have a very different situation and a very different side of
me comes out. And that goes back to our earlier chat about integrity. We
give the players an incredible amount of latitude to play their game
however they want. We just expect the same respect in return.”
But isn’t that taunting the starving players by putting all that rice
right in front of them and then not allowing them to have any of it? “I
am going to take it back to the challenge team and say, ‘If we don't
need rice, maybe we should consider sand or something else,’” concedes
the host. “This is not a time when we want to taunt them, and maybe
that's what ended up happening with Rachel.”
Whatever the reason, it made for great television, if not a great rice
heist.
To listen to Probst break down the entire episode — including the latest
elimination — check out On Fire With Jeff Probst.
https://ew.com/jeff-probst-survivor-player-steal-rice-mob-boss-move-8718644
I thought the topic would come up. As I said in another post, I don't
listen to the On Fire podcast because it just sounds so scripted and
packaged - there's no spontaneity at all. It always sounds like
everyone is just reading lines, which I'm sure they are. But every now
and then he reveals some good info like this.

I'm more convinced than ever that they must have explained during the
walk-through for the challenge that taking rice was against the rules -
but Rachel did it anyway to have a little TV moment for herself.
Brian Smith
2024-09-28 20:36:40 UTC
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Post by Brian Smith
Trigger Warning!!!
________________________________________________________________________
Jeff Probst calls Survivor player's attempt to steal rice a 'mob boss move'
The host also reveals what it would take for "a very different side of
me" to come out.
By Dalton Ross
Published on September 26, 2024 07:00AM EDT
Survivor 47’s second episode included an epic immunity challenge where
teams had to transport a big bag of rice across both sea and land,
before cutting open the bag and retrieving a ball to use on a winding
snake trap.
But that epic challenge was overshadowed by an epic attempt by one of
the players to steal some of the rice in the challenge. While watching
three of her Gata tribemates attempt to navigate the aforementioned
snake trap, Rachel LaMont decided to make herself a little to-go bag…
in her pants! Which is to say she started subtly scooping up fistfuls
of rice and pouring them into her pocket in the hopes of transporting
the food back to camp to eat.
Unfortunately for the wannabe rice thief, host Jeff Probst had clearly
been tipped-off to the five-finger discount… which is what tends to
happen when you have a massive camera crew as well as numerous
producers on hand watching your every move. Probst made Rachel pour
out all the rice before leaving the challenge in an exchange that was
one of the highlights of the episode. However, on the latest episode
of the On Fire With Jeff Probst podcast, the host and showrunner
reveals that the entire incident almost did not even make it to air.
On the podcast, Probst says he was called by executive producer Matt
Van Wagenen, who mentioned that they wanted to add it into the final
cut. “And so I looked at it,” Probst says, “and my feeling was 100
percent, because this is character. Rachel tried to steal rice in
front of me, in front of 20 camera operators, in front of the
challenge department, all our judges, in front of standards and
practices, in front of all of our producers. That's a mob boss move!”
Was Probst upset about the deception? On the contrary: “I respected
it.” Even if he’s not completely sure why she did it. “Who really
knows the real reason Rachel did that? Maybe it was just to get some
rice, or maybe Rachel did it to show another part of her personality.
Maybe she wanted people to know, ‘Hey, I'm not as quiet as you think’.
And maybe it's who Rachel really is. Maybe it's not Rachel at all, and
she just wants others to see that part of her because the game is
always afoot.”
While Probst enjoyed both the effort on Rachel’s part and the exchange
that followed, there is another level of deception that will not be
tolerated. “I have to say one thing just for fans and players from a
producer standpoint,” Probst warns. “There's a very fine line when it
comes to having fun and messing with the integrity of the game. What
Rachel did was fun. It was playful. It was in front of everyone. She
knew what she was doing. She knew it was almost certain that she'd be
caught. And when she got caught, she had a very playful attitude about
it. So there was no issue at all with me regarding that moment.”
He continues: “But we have a couple of very clear rules about what is
and is not allowed. And if a player were to break one of those very
few rules, we'd have a very different situation and a very different
side of me comes out. And that goes back to our earlier chat about
integrity. We give the players an incredible amount of latitude to
play their game however they want. We just expect the same respect in
return.”
But isn’t that taunting the starving players by putting all that rice
right in front of them and then not allowing them to have any of it?
“I am going to take it back to the challenge team and say, ‘If we
don't need rice, maybe we should consider sand or something else,’”
concedes the host. “This is not a time when we want to taunt them, and
maybe that's what ended up happening with Rachel.”
Whatever the reason, it made for great television, if not a great rice
heist.
To listen to Probst break down the entire episode — including the
latest elimination — check out On Fire With Jeff Probst.
https://ew.com/jeff-probst-survivor-player-steal-rice-mob-boss-move-8718644
I thought the topic would come up.  As I said in another post, I don't
listen to the On Fire podcast because it just sounds so scripted and
packaged -  there's no spontaneity at all.  It always sounds like
everyone is just reading lines, which I'm sure they are.  But every now
and then he reveals some good info like this.
I'm more convinced than ever that they must have explained during the
walk-through for the challenge that taking rice was against the rules -
but Rachel did it anyway to have a little TV moment for herself.
There has to be a lot more to it than Rachel wanting a TV moment. It
sounds like Jeff didn't even consider it worthy of showing until Matt
Van Wagenen pushed for it to make the final cut. To me, this implies
Rachel's actions play into the storyline down the road. Jeff's comment
about "character" is telling. Are we going to find out that Rachel likes
to push boundaries and bend rules in an effort to get ahead and/or is
this incident and possibly others going to be used to target her? I'm
glad Matt pushed to include the incident.
--
Brian
Rick
2024-09-29 02:09:41 UTC
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Trigger Warning!!!
________________________________________________________________________
Jeff Probst calls Survivor player's attempt to steal rice a 'mob boss move'
The host also reveals what it would take for "a very different side
of me" to come out.
By Dalton Ross
Published on September 26, 2024 07:00AM EDT
Survivor 47’s second episode included an epic immunity challenge
where teams had to transport a big bag of rice across both sea and
land, before cutting open the bag and retrieving a ball to use on a
winding snake trap.
But that epic challenge was overshadowed by an epic attempt by one of
the players to steal some of the rice in the challenge. While
watching three of her Gata tribemates attempt to navigate the
aforementioned snake trap, Rachel LaMont decided to make herself a
little to-go bag… in her pants! Which is to say she started subtly
scooping up fistfuls of rice and pouring them into her pocket in the
hopes of transporting the food back to camp to eat.
Unfortunately for the wannabe rice thief, host Jeff Probst had
clearly been tipped-off to the five-finger discount… which is what
tends to happen when you have a massive camera crew as well as
numerous producers on hand watching your every move. Probst made
Rachel pour out all the rice before leaving the challenge in an
exchange that was one of the highlights of the episode. However, on
the latest episode of the On Fire With Jeff Probst podcast, the host
and showrunner reveals that the entire incident almost did not even
make it to air.
On the podcast, Probst says he was called by executive producer Matt
Van Wagenen, who mentioned that they wanted to add it into the final
cut. “And so I looked at it,” Probst says, “and my feeling was 100
percent, because this is character. Rachel tried to steal rice in
front of me, in front of 20 camera operators, in front of the
challenge department, all our judges, in front of standards and
practices, in front of all of our producers. That's a mob boss move!”
Was Probst upset about the deception? On the contrary: “I respected
it.” Even if he’s not completely sure why she did it. “Who really
knows the real reason Rachel did that? Maybe it was just to get some
rice, or maybe Rachel did it to show another part of her personality.
Maybe she wanted people to know, ‘Hey, I'm not as quiet as you
think’. And maybe it's who Rachel really is. Maybe it's not Rachel at
all, and she just wants others to see that part of her because the
game is always afoot.”
While Probst enjoyed both the effort on Rachel’s part and the
exchange that followed, there is another level of deception that will
not be tolerated. “I have to say one thing just for fans and players
from a producer standpoint,” Probst warns. “There's a very fine line
when it comes to having fun and messing with the integrity of the
game. What Rachel did was fun. It was playful. It was in front of
everyone. She knew what she was doing. She knew it was almost certain
that she'd be caught. And when she got caught, she had a very playful
attitude about it. So there was no issue at all with me regarding
that moment.”
He continues: “But we have a couple of very clear rules about what is
and is not allowed. And if a player were to break one of those very
few rules, we'd have a very different situation and a very different
side of me comes out. And that goes back to our earlier chat about
integrity. We give the players an incredible amount of latitude to
play their game however they want. We just expect the same respect in
return.”
But isn’t that taunting the starving players by putting all that rice
right in front of them and then not allowing them to have any of it?
“I am going to take it back to the challenge team and say, ‘If we
don't need rice, maybe we should consider sand or something else,’”
concedes the host. “This is not a time when we want to taunt them,
and maybe that's what ended up happening with Rachel.”
Whatever the reason, it made for great television, if not a great
rice heist.
To listen to Probst break down the entire episode — including the
latest elimination — check out On Fire With Jeff Probst.
https://ew.com/jeff-probst-survivor-player-steal-rice-mob-boss-move-8718644
I thought the topic would come up.  As I said in another post, I don't
listen to the On Fire podcast because it just sounds so scripted and
packaged -  there's no spontaneity at all.  It always sounds like
everyone is just reading lines, which I'm sure they are.  But every
now and then he reveals some good info like this.
I'm more convinced than ever that they must have explained during the
walk-through for the challenge that taking rice was against the rules
- but Rachel did it anyway to have a little TV moment for herself.
There has to be a lot more to it than Rachel wanting a TV moment. It
sounds like Jeff didn't even consider it worthy of showing until Matt
Van Wagenen pushed for it to make the final cut. To me, this implies
Rachel's actions play into the storyline down the road. Jeff's comment
about "character" is telling. Are we going to find out that Rachel likes
to push boundaries and bend rules in an effort to get ahead and/or is
this incident and possibly others going to be used to target her? I'm
glad Matt pushed to include the incident.
You may be right that this is foreshadowing for further events involving
Rachel. I do find it interesting that Jeff characterized this as a "mob
boss move", since it didn't come across like that at all. For me, it
just seemed like a player trying to stretch the rules a bit to create a
humorous interchange involving Jeff. The mob boss comment does make it
seem like Rachel will be flexing her muscles down the road in later
episodes.

On the other hand, this could also just be a case of Matt wanting to
give a somewhat humorous character moment for a player who has minimal
impact in later episodes. We will have to wait and see,

For now, let's just put a pin in this and see what happens the rest of
the way.
Brian Smith
2024-09-29 02:45:37 UTC
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Trigger Warning!!!
________________________________________________________________________
Jeff Probst calls Survivor player's attempt to steal rice a 'mob boss move'
The host also reveals what it would take for "a very different side
of me" to come out.
By Dalton Ross
Published on September 26, 2024 07:00AM EDT
Survivor 47’s second episode included an epic immunity challenge
where teams had to transport a big bag of rice across both sea and
land, before cutting open the bag and retrieving a ball to use on a
winding snake trap.
But that epic challenge was overshadowed by an epic attempt by one
of the players to steal some of the rice in the challenge. While
watching three of her Gata tribemates attempt to navigate the
aforementioned snake trap, Rachel LaMont decided to make herself a
little to-go bag… in her pants! Which is to say she started subtly
scooping up fistfuls of rice and pouring them into her pocket in the
hopes of transporting the food back to camp to eat.
Unfortunately for the wannabe rice thief, host Jeff Probst had
clearly been tipped-off to the five-finger discount… which is what
tends to happen when you have a massive camera crew as well as
numerous producers on hand watching your every move. Probst made
Rachel pour out all the rice before leaving the challenge in an
exchange that was one of the highlights of the episode. However, on
the latest episode of the On Fire With Jeff Probst podcast, the host
and showrunner reveals that the entire incident almost did not even
make it to air.
On the podcast, Probst says he was called by executive producer Matt
Van Wagenen, who mentioned that they wanted to add it into the final
cut. “And so I looked at it,” Probst says, “and my feeling was 100
percent, because this is character. Rachel tried to steal rice in
front of me, in front of 20 camera operators, in front of the
challenge department, all our judges, in front of standards and
practices, in front of all of our producers. That's a mob boss move!”
Was Probst upset about the deception? On the contrary: “I respected
it.” Even if he’s not completely sure why she did it. “Who really
knows the real reason Rachel did that? Maybe it was just to get some
rice, or maybe Rachel did it to show another part of her
personality. Maybe she wanted people to know, ‘Hey, I'm not as quiet
as you think’. And maybe it's who Rachel really is. Maybe it's not
Rachel at all, and she just wants others to see that part of her
because the game is always afoot.”
While Probst enjoyed both the effort on Rachel’s part and the
exchange that followed, there is another level of deception that
will not be tolerated. “I have to say one thing just for fans and
players from a producer standpoint,” Probst warns. “There's a very
fine line when it comes to having fun and messing with the integrity
of the game. What Rachel did was fun. It was playful. It was in
front of everyone. She knew what she was doing. She knew it was
almost certain that she'd be caught. And when she got caught, she
had a very playful attitude about it. So there was no issue at all
with me regarding that moment.”
He continues: “But we have a couple of very clear rules about what
is and is not allowed. And if a player were to break one of those
very few rules, we'd have a very different situation and a very
different side of me comes out. And that goes back to our earlier
chat about integrity. We give the players an incredible amount of
latitude to play their game however they want. We just expect the
same respect in return.”
But isn’t that taunting the starving players by putting all that
rice right in front of them and then not allowing them to have any
of it? “I am going to take it back to the challenge team and say,
‘If we don't need rice, maybe we should consider sand or something
else,’” concedes the host. “This is not a time when we want to taunt
them, and maybe that's what ended up happening with Rachel.”
Whatever the reason, it made for great television, if not a great
rice heist.
To listen to Probst break down the entire episode — including the
latest elimination — check out On Fire With Jeff Probst.
https://ew.com/jeff-probst-survivor-player-steal-rice-mob-boss-move-8718644
I thought the topic would come up.  As I said in another post, I
don't listen to the On Fire podcast because it just sounds so
scripted and packaged -  there's no spontaneity at all.  It always
sounds like everyone is just reading lines, which I'm sure they are.
But every now and then he reveals some good info like this.
I'm more convinced than ever that they must have explained during the
walk-through for the challenge that taking rice was against the rules
- but Rachel did it anyway to have a little TV moment for herself.
There has to be a lot more to it than Rachel wanting a TV moment. It
sounds like Jeff didn't even consider it worthy of showing until Matt
Van Wagenen pushed for it to make the final cut. To me, this implies
Rachel's actions play into the storyline down the road. Jeff's comment
about "character" is telling. Are we going to find out that Rachel
likes to push boundaries and bend rules in an effort to get ahead
and/or is this incident and possibly others going to be used to target
her? I'm glad Matt pushed to include the incident.
You may be right that this is foreshadowing for further events involving
Rachel.  I do find it interesting that Jeff characterized this as a "mob
boss move", since it didn't come across like that at all.  For me, it
just seemed like a player trying to stretch the rules a bit to create a
humorous interchange involving Jeff.  The mob boss comment does make it
seem like Rachel will be flexing her muscles down the road in later
episodes.
On the other hand, this could also just be a case of Matt wanting to
give a somewhat humorous character moment for a player who has minimal
impact in later episodes.  We will have to wait and see,
For now, let's just put a pin in this and see what happens the rest of
the way.
I agree it's best to wait. We also need to hear Rachel's side of the story.
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Brian
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