S46 Ep10 Spoilers and Comments (5/1/2024)

Tonight's episode is titled "Run the Red Light." I think we're in for
another good one tonight.

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Brian

Brian Smith

2024-05-02 06:19:58 UTC

Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Run the Red Light." I think we're in for
another good one tonight.

Tonight’s episode was the Liz show. We also saw some 180 degree turns
from a couple of the players which might impact the game going forward.

The episode started back at camp after the Hunter blindside. We found
out from Liz that the split vote was planned. She was pissed at being
left out. I think Kenz said to her it was a last-minute thing and Venus
added they didn’t decide until 10 minutes before TC. We were shown
nothing of what happened, which I found disappointing. I’d like to know
who initiated the split vote talk. Tiff also correctly said that Hunter
probably had an idol but didn’t play it because he thought everyone was
focused on getting Q out. The edit was good foreshadowing of what would
happen tonight. Maria also talked to Q and told him not to give up. She
pitched blindsiding Tiff. More good foreshadowing.

Reward Challenge

Applebee’s! Did Applebee’s decide not to come back until there was a
player who had a great story that involved them? Anyway, the winner
would get the full Applebee’s treatment at the Sanctuary. They would
also get to spend the night. We found out that Liz is a HUGE Applebee’s
fan. She goes there every Wednesday night after picking her daughter up
from yoga and then they go home to watch Survivor.

Unfortunately for Liz, she sucked at the challenge. Q won and he of
course got to choose people to go with him. Surprisingly, he chose Tiff
first saying he wanted to patch things up with her. Then Liz started
begging saying she’s had ZERO calories since the merge. Q’s second
choice was Maria because she was nice to him when no one else was. For
his last choice it looked for a second that he might choose Liz. But he
chose Kenz saying he wanted to bring the family back together. Liz then
lost it. She started screaming and openly blamed Q for blowing her game
up. I don’t recall ever seeing a player get that angry over not being
chosen to go on a reward. Then in a confessional, Kenz basically trashed
Q for not choosing Liz.

Sanctuary/Applebee’s

They ate so much that they didn’t have room to eat Liz’s favorite
Bourbon burgers. After eating, Q went for a walk to wear off the food.
The second he left, Tiff and Kenz started trashing him, which surprised
Maria. They both said being chosen to go on the reward was not going to
change their view of Q. Kenz referred to him as her unhealthy
ex-boyfriend. This talk made Maria question whether she wanted to work
with Q.

Immunity Challenge (Day 18)

Jeff tempted them again with more rice, but the price was too high as he
still wanted four people to sit out. Kenz stepped forward but no one
else did. Then he offered individual portions which Liz took after
everyone gave their blessings.

Tiff looked rock solid throughout the challenge but out of the blue it
looked like her arm gave out and her bucket came crashing down giving
Charlie individual immunity. In a confessional. Charlie said he’s been
building up his grip strength over the last two years.

Back at Camp

Maria and Charlie were determined to blindside Tiff. At the beginning of
the episode, they talked with Kenz about this, and she was on board. But
after the reward, Kenz no longer felt it and was out. Maria and Charlie
needed one more vote (they had Ben and Q). Maria said she can’t work
with Venus and that Liz was dead set on taking Q out. Charlie said they
had to go with Liz because Venus is too volatile of a player.

Tribal Council (Night 19)

When they came into TC, Kenzie’s hair caught on fire when she was
lighting her torch. Jeff seemed very unconcerned about it. Jeff:
“Kenzie, did your hair catch on fire?” as he watched Venus extinguish
the flames. Do they have fire extinguishers on set?

Jeff talked a lot about blindsides, but they all told him that tonight
was different. They all said they wanted Q out. Q said he was ready to
accept his fate. The end result was that five of them were lying to
Jeff. Tiff was blindsided in a 5–3 vote. She, Venus, and Kenz voted for
Q. Maria and Charlie somehow managed to convince Liz to keep Q. I was
really surprised that Tiff took such a risk after the last two TCs being
so similar to this one. Like Hunter, she got greedy, and it bit her in
the butt.

Next Episode

Looks like Q pisses people off again, Venus says Maria’s evil, and
there’s a big scramble to find an idol.

Coming out of this episode, it looks like Venus and Kenz are in bad
positions and could be easy targets. To me, it makes no sense going
after Q again right away. When are people going to catch on that Maria
and Charlie are running things now? Maybe the preview for next week is
signaling that Venus wants to target Maria. If Charlie’s smart, he’ll
take out Maria before she takes him out.

--
Brian

Rick

2024-05-02 13:33:00 UTC

Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Run the Red Light." I think we're in for
another good one tonight.

Tonight’s episode was the Liz show. We also saw some 180 degree turns from
a couple of the players which might impact the game going forward.
The episode started back at camp after the Hunter blindside. We found out
from Liz that the split vote was planned. She was pissed at being left out.
I think Kenz said to her it was a last-minute thing and Venus added they
didn’t decide until 10 minutes before TC. We were shown nothing of what
happened, which I found disappointing. I’d like to know who initiated the
split vote talk. Tiff also correctly said that Hunter probably had an idol
but didn’t play it because he thought everyone was focused on getting Q
out. The edit was good foreshadowing of what would happen tonight. Maria
also talked to Q and told him not to give up. She pitched blindsiding Tiff.
More good foreshadowing.
Reward Challenge
Applebee’s! Did Applebee’s decide not to come back until there was a player
who had a great story that involved them? Anyway, the winner would get the
full Applebee’s treatment at the Sanctuary. They would also get to spend
the night. We found out that Liz is a HUGE Applebee’s fan. She goes there
every Wednesday night after picking her daughter up from yoga and then they
go home to watch Survivor.
Unfortunately for Liz, she sucked at the challenge. Q won and he of course
got to choose people to go with him. Surprisingly, he chose Tiff first
saying he wanted to patch things up with her. Then Liz started begging
saying she’s had ZERO calories since the merge. Q’s second choice was Maria
because she was nice to him when no one else was. For his last choice it
looked for a second that he might choose Liz. But he chose Kenz saying he
wanted to bring the family back together. Liz then lost it. She started
screaming and openly blamed Q for blowing her game up. I don’t recall ever
seeing a player get that angry over not being chosen to go on a reward.
Then in a confessional, Kenz basically trashed Q for not choosing Liz.
Sanctuary/Applebee’s
They ate so much that they didn’t have room to eat Liz’s favorite Bourbon
burgers. After eating, Q went for a walk to wear off the food. The second
he left, Tiff and Kenz started trashing him, which surprised Maria. They
both said being chosen to go on the reward was not going to change their
view of Q. Kenz referred to him as her unhealthy ex-boyfriend. This talk
made Maria question whether she wanted to work with Q.
Immunity Challenge (Day 18)
Jeff tempted them again with more rice, but the price was too high as he
still wanted four people to sit out. Kenz stepped forward but no one else
did. Then he offered individual portions which Liz took after everyone gave
their blessings.
Tiff looked rock solid throughout the challenge but out of the blue it
looked like her arm gave out and her bucket came crashing down giving
Charlie individual immunity. In a confessional. Charlie said he’s been
building up his grip strength over the last two years.
Back at Camp
Maria and Charlie were determined to blindside Tiff. At the beginning of
the episode, they talked with Kenz about this, and she was on board. But
after the reward, Kenz no longer felt it and was out. Maria and Charlie
needed one more vote (they had Ben and Q). Maria said she can’t work with
Venus and that Liz was dead set on taking Q out. Charlie said they had to
go with Liz because Venus is too volatile of a player.
Tribal Council (Night 19)
When they came into TC, Kenzie’s hair caught on fire when she was lighting
her torch. Jeff seemed very unconcerned about it. Jeff: “Kenzie, did your
hair catch on fire?” as he watched Venus extinguish the flames. Do they
have fire extinguishers on set?
Jeff talked a lot about blindsides, but they all told him that tonight was
different. They all said they wanted Q out. Q said he was ready to accept
his fate. The end result was that five of them were lying to Jeff. Tiff was
blindsided in a 5–3 vote. She, Venus, and Kenz voted for Q. Maria and
Charlie somehow managed to convince Liz to keep Q. I was really surprised
that Tiff took such a risk after the last two TCs being so similar to this
one. Like Hunter, she got greedy, and it bit her in the butt.
Next Episode
Looks like Q pisses people off again, Venus says Maria’s evil, and there’s
a big scramble to find an idol.
Coming out of this episode, it looks like Venus and Kenz are in bad
positions and could be easy targets. To me, it makes no sense going after Q
again right away. When are people going to catch on that Maria and Charlie
are running things now? Maybe the preview for next week is signaling that
Venus wants to target Maria. If Charlie’s smart, he’ll take out Maria
before she takes him out.

The reason to vote out Q is that he a legit threat to win immunities. But
ironically and interestingly, so is Charlie. And Charlie is a major threat
to win the game. He and Maria are the co-favorites to win right now, I
think.

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Brian Smith

2024-05-02 20:47:26 UTC

Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Run the Red Light." I think we're in for
another good one tonight.

Tonight’s episode was the Liz show. We also saw some 180 degree turns
from a couple of the players which might impact the game going forward.
The episode started back at camp after the Hunter blindside. We found
out from Liz that the split vote was planned. She was pissed at being
left out. I think Kenz said to her it was a last-minute thing and
Venus added they didn’t decide until 10 minutes before TC. We were
shown nothing of what happened, which I found disappointing. I’d like
to know who initiated the split vote talk. Tiff also correctly said
that Hunter probably had an idol but didn’t play it because he thought
everyone was focused on getting Q out. The edit was good foreshadowing
of what would happen tonight. Maria also talked to Q and told him not
to give up. She pitched blindsiding Tiff. More good foreshadowing.
Reward Challenge
Applebee’s! Did Applebee’s decide not to come back until there was a
player who had a great story that involved them? Anyway, the winner
would get the full Applebee’s treatment at the Sanctuary. They would
also get to spend the night. We found out that Liz is a HUGE
Applebee’s fan. She goes there every Wednesday night after picking her
daughter up from yoga and then they go home to watch Survivor.
Unfortunately for Liz, she sucked at the challenge. Q won and he of
course got to choose people to go with him. Surprisingly, he chose
Tiff first saying he wanted to patch things up with her. Then Liz
started begging saying she’s had ZERO calories since the merge. Q’s
second choice was Maria because she was nice to him when no one else
was. For his last choice it looked for a second that he might choose
Liz. But he chose Kenz saying he wanted to bring the family back
together. Liz then lost it. She started screaming and openly blamed Q
for blowing her game up. I don’t recall ever seeing a player get that
angry over not being chosen to go on a reward. Then in a confessional,
Kenz basically trashed Q for not choosing Liz.
Sanctuary/Applebee’s
They ate so much that they didn’t have room to eat Liz’s favorite
Bourbon burgers. After eating, Q went for a walk to wear off the food.
The second he left, Tiff and Kenz started trashing him, which
surprised Maria. They both said being chosen to go on the reward was
not going to change their view of Q. Kenz referred to him as her
unhealthy ex-boyfriend. This talk made Maria question whether she
wanted to work with Q.
Immunity Challenge (Day 18)
Jeff tempted them again with more rice, but the price was too high as
he still wanted four people to sit out. Kenz stepped forward but no
one else did. Then he offered individual portions which Liz took after
everyone gave their blessings.
Tiff looked rock solid throughout the challenge but out of the blue it
looked like her arm gave out and her bucket came crashing down giving
Charlie individual immunity. In a confessional. Charlie said he’s been
building up his grip strength over the last two years.
Back at Camp
Maria and Charlie were determined to blindside Tiff. At the beginning
of the episode, they talked with Kenz about this, and she was on
board. But after the reward, Kenz no longer felt it and was out. Maria
and Charlie needed one more vote (they had Ben and Q). Maria said she
can’t work with Venus and that Liz was dead set on taking Q out.
Charlie said they had to go with Liz because Venus is too volatile of
a player.
Tribal Council (Night 19)
When they came into TC, Kenzie’s hair caught on fire when she was
“Kenzie, did your hair catch on fire?” as he watched Venus extinguish
the flames. Do they have fire extinguishers on set?
Jeff talked a lot about blindsides, but they all told him that tonight
was different. They all said they wanted Q out. Q said he was ready to
accept his fate. The end result was that five of them were lying to
Jeff. Tiff was blindsided in a 5–3 vote. She, Venus, and Kenz voted
for Q. Maria and Charlie somehow managed to convince Liz to keep Q. I
was really surprised that Tiff took such a risk after the last two TCs
being so similar to this one. Like Hunter, she got greedy, and it bit
her in the butt.
Next Episode
Looks like Q pisses people off again, Venus says Maria’s evil, and
there’s a big scramble to find an idol.
Coming out of this episode, it looks like Venus and Kenz are in bad
positions and could be easy targets. To me, it makes no sense going
after Q again right away. When are people going to catch on that Maria
and Charlie are running things now? Maybe the preview for next week is
signaling that Venus wants to target Maria. If Charlie’s smart, he’ll
take out Maria before she takes him out.

The reason to vote out Q is that he a legit threat to win immunities.
But ironically and interestingly, so is Charlie. And Charlie is a major
threat to win the game. He and Maria are the co-favorites to win right
now, I think.

Q can win immunities (I believe Charlie's got more than Q) but does he
have the backing to get what he wants? And is working with Maria and
Charlie to take out Kenz good for his game? It's too bad the people he
needs to work with don't want to work with him.

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Brian

Zeppo

2024-05-02 21:27:47 UTC

Q can win immunities (I believe Charlie's got more than Q) It is my opinion that Quintavius’s challenge winning potential is a figment

of his gigantic ego (although with Hunter out of the game, his chances
have improved a little). As of F8, he had won exactly zero immunities and
one reward (against very weak opposition). Charlie, OTOH, had won two
immunities, and had finished second to Hunter in another. The two
challenges in E10 provided excellent examples of his true potential
when participating in physical contests. In the first one he arrived
at the final section far ahead of the other players, several of whom
were trapped in the “net crawl of doom”. Even so, he let everybody
else catch up to him (including Dead Woman Walking Liz) before he was
finally able to execute a successful bean bag toss. In the second challenge
he was beaten by Maria, Kenzie, and Charlie. If the man couldn’t beat
Kenzie in a competition dependent on grip strength, he is in serious
trouble.

Brian Smith

2024-05-02 21:39:49 UTC

Q can win immunities (I believe Charlie's got more than Q) It is my opinion that Quintavius’s challenge winning potential is a figment

Q has definitely not lived up to what he claims he can do. Charlie has
been an overachiever which could put a target on his back if the others
ever wake up. Or do most of them think that Maria is the real threat and
Charlie's getting a pass? My prediction is that she gets targeted before
he does.

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Brian

Zeppo

2024-05-02 19:02:29 UTC

Post by Brian Smith
Liz then
lost it. She started screaming and openly blamed Q for blowing her game
up. I don’t recall ever seeing a player get that angry over not being
chosen to go on a reward. Then in a confessional, Kenz basically trashed
Q for not choosing Liz.

I didn’t watch much of this as I have little interest in witnessing
somebody
having an emotional meltdown. The part of it that I did see showed
Probst’s complicity by encouraging Liz to “put her feelings into
words”.
It is clear that he has learned a few things since S08, one of which is that
the audience feels entertained when they get to see players losing it in the
most undignified ways possible. For many seasons, he has tried to
instigate such behaviour by encouraging players who are struggling with
their emotions to “try to express their feelings with words”. On most of
these occasions, he hasn’t gotten much, but in last night’s episode he
hit
pay dirt. Afterwords, from my perspective, the rest of the episode largely
consisted of more examples of Liz’s fragile emotional state in a variety
of contexts. For example, the scene that showed Liz screaming on the
beach was completely unnecessary.
Pretty nasty stuff IMO.

With that said, why did Liz apply to play to Survivor when she knew
that there would be nothing growing on the island that she could
eat? And, during her casting interviews and medical evaluation, were
her allergies discussed? If they were, how did she end up on the show
despite the fact that it was known that she might not be able to eat
anything unless she won it as a reward?

Post by Brian Smith
After eating, Q went for a walk to wear off the food.

That’s what he said, but I suspect he went off and puked into the
bushes adjacent to The Sanctuary (where good things happen).

Post by Brian Smith
Jeff tempted them again with more rice, but the price was too high as he
still wanted four people to sit out. Kenz stepped forward but no one
else did. Then he offered individual portions which Liz took after
everyone gave their blessings.

As opposed to his behavior at the end of the the reward challenge, Probst,
and the rest of Production, deserve credit for engineering a way for Liz to
get some food that she can eat, but still be able to retain her dignity. My
guess is that Medical had been monitoring Liz’s physical and emotional
states, and Probst had been told that if she didn’t start eating, she would
need to be pulled from the game.

Post by Brian Smith
Charlie said he’s been
building up his grip strength over the last two years.

Umm...O.K. Maybe a little bit too much information for me. :-)

Post by Brian Smith
Coming out of this episode, it looks like Venus and Kenz are in bad
positions and could be easy targets.

Kenzie for sure, as she is well liked and would probably do well in
front of the jury if she were to make it to FTC. Regarding Venus,
I had expected her to be kept around as a potential goat, but Maria’s
comment about her in last night’s episode seemed to indicate that
Quintavius may have taken that role instead.

Post by Brian Smith
When are people going to catch on that Maria
and Charlie are running things now?

If Kenzie is voted out, there will be nobody left who would have a chance
of getting more votes than either Maria or Charlie at FTC. As you have
suggested, what needs to be done is to remove Maria/Charlie from the
game which would leave a F3 essentially consisting of losers, all of whom
would have an equal chance of winning. I wouldn’t be surprised to see
Quintavius try to instigate these moves with the hope of advancing to FTC
as the “king of the dipshits”.

Rick

2024-05-02 20:25:23 UTC

I didn’t watch much of this as I have little interest in witnessing
somebody
having an emotional meltdown. The part of it that I did see showed
Probst’s complicity by encouraging Liz to “put her feelings into
words”.
It is clear that he has learned a few things since S08, one of which is that
the audience feels entertained when they get to see players losing it in the
most undignified ways possible. For many seasons, he has tried to
instigate such behaviour by encouraging players who are struggling with
their emotions to “try to express their feelings with words”. On most of
these occasions, he hasn’t gotten much, but in last night’s episode he
hit
pay dirt. Afterwords, from my perspective, the rest of the episode largely
consisted of more examples of Liz’s fragile emotional state in a variety
of contexts. For example, the scene that showed Liz screaming on the
beach was completely unnecessary.
Pretty nasty stuff IMO.
With that said, why did Liz apply to play to Survivor when she knew
that there would be nothing growing on the island that she could
eat? And, during her casting interviews and medical evaluation, were
her allergies discussed? If they were, how did she end up on the show
despite the fact that it was known that she might not be able to eat
anything unless she won it as a reward?

Post by Brian Smith
After eating, Q went for a walk to wear off the food.

That’s what he said, but I suspect he went off and puked into the
bushes adjacent to The Sanctuary (where good things happen).

What I was hoping would happen was someone else (not sure who) would
immediately step forward and say "I'll take the rice" before Liz had a
chance. But anyone doing that would have immediately been targeted, not to
mention giving up a chance to win the challenge. But I would love to have
seen a wrench thrown into the obvious ploy by Jeff to get some rice over to
Liz.

And did you notice that when she got back to camp, she needed someone else
to start a fire for her? Good note to keep in mind should she have to be
placed by someone in a fire-making challenge.

--

Brian Smith

2024-05-02 20:53:16 UTC

I didn’t watch much of this as I have little interest in witnessing
somebody
having an emotional meltdown. The part of it that I did see showed
Probst’s complicity by encouraging Liz to “put her feelings into
words”.
It is clear that he has learned a few things since S08, one of which is that
the audience feels entertained when they get to see players losing it in the
most undignified ways possible. For many seasons, he has tried to
instigate such behaviour by encouraging players who are struggling with
their emotions to “try to express their feelings with words”. On most of
these occasions, he hasn’t gotten much, but in last night’s episode he
hit
pay dirt. Afterwords, from my perspective, the rest of the episode largely
consisted of more examples of Liz’s fragile emotional state in a variety
of contexts. For example, the scene that showed Liz screaming on the
beach was completely unnecessary.
Pretty nasty stuff IMO.
With that said, why did Liz apply to play to Survivor when she knew
that there would be nothing growing on the island that she could
eat? And, during her casting interviews and medical evaluation, were
her allergies discussed? If they were, how did she end up on the show
despite the fact that it was known that she might not be able to eat
anything unless she won it as a reward?

Post by Brian Smith
After eating, Q went for a walk to wear off the food.

That’s what he said, but I suspect he went off and puked into the
bushes adjacent to The Sanctuary (where good things happen).

Wasn't there more than one jar of rice? I don't recall Jeff saying the
first person to step out gets it.

Post by Rick
And did you notice that when she got back to camp, she needed someone
else to start a fire for her? Good note to keep in mind should she have
to be placed by someone in a fire-making challenge.

That was an interesting scene. Can she not start a fire or was she
preserving her energy? I also wonder if production didn't want her
losing it again and possibly severely hurt herself or someone else.

--
Brian

Zeppo

2024-05-02 22:42:45 UTC

Post by Brian Smith
I also wonder if production didn't want her
losing it again and possibly severely hurt herself or someone else.

Considering the number of people who rolled/stumbled into fire in days 18-19,
that was probably a good call. :-)

Brian Smith

2024-05-02 23:06:48 UTC

Post by Brian Smith
I also wonder if production didn't want her
losing it again and possibly severely hurt herself or someone else.

Considering the number of people who rolled/stumbled into fire in days 18-19,
that was probably a good call. :-)

Ha ha!

--
Brian

Brian Smith

2024-05-02 20:41:40 UTC

I have to admit that around that point I thought the edit was leading to
the others voting Liz out under the pretext that lack of food was
severely impacting her mental health.

Post by Zeppo
With that said, why did Liz apply to play to Survivor when she knew
that there would be nothing growing on the island that she could
eat? And, during her casting interviews and medical evaluation, were
her allergies discussed? If they were, how did she end up on the show
despite the fact that it was known that she might not be able to eat
anything unless she won it as a reward?

She can eat fish and rice. I'm still puzzled as to why they appear to be
not fishing. If they are, at least show us if they are sucking at it. I
think Liz also expected the the merge tribe to take rice as part of a
bargaining session with Jeff. He obviously felt the same. It's been ages
since we've seen a merge tribe turn down every deal. The individual
portions offered last night were no doubt added last minute to help Liz out.

Post by Brian Smith
After eating, Q went for a walk to wear off the food.

That’s what he said, but I suspect he went off and puked into the
bushes adjacent to The Sanctuary (where good things happen).

He probably did that as well. That was a crazy amount of food to eat in
one setting.

That makes a lot of sense. I'm surprised she had the energy to get so
mad at Q.

Post by Brian Smith
Charlie said he’s been
building up his grip strength over the last two years.

Umm...O.K. Maybe a little bit too much information for me. :-)

LOL!

Post by Brian Smith
Coming out of this episode, it looks like Venus and Kenz are in bad
positions and could be easy targets.

Maria and Charlie find Venus too uncontrollable to take to the end. Q
will listen to them if it furthers his game.

Post by Brian Smith
When are people going to catch on that Maria
and Charlie are running things now?

Maria and Charlie need to take each out before F3. If F3 is something
like Ben, Q, and Liz, Ben will win. If Venus makes F3 against any of
those people, I predict she wins. She has a decent resume and is capable
of selling her game. If Kenz makes F3 she wins, even against Maria
and/or Charlie.

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Brian

Zeppo

2024-05-02 22:31:55 UTC

Post by Brian Smith
think Liz also expected the the merge tribe to take rice as part of a
bargaining session with Jeff.

Fair enough. But what was she planning to eat prior to the merge?
Liz would have been okay in an old school game in which rice was
provided, and everybody fished as soon as they had won the necessary
equipment. But to put her in a new era game, with no rice and no
guarantee of fish, strikes me as being a very questionable decision.

Post by Brian Smith
Maria and Charlie need to take each out before F3.

The prevailing wisdom would dictate such a move. But Charlie and
Maria are pretty tight, and, if given the chance to advance to FTC
together, might just take it.

Post by Brian Smith
If F3 is something
like Ben, Q, and Liz, Ben will win.

If Quintavius drives the votes that get Charlie and Maria out, and
ends up making it to FTC with Liz and Ben, he might be able to
talk his way to victory.

Post by Brian Smith
If Venus makes F3 against any of
those people, I predict she wins. She has a decent resume and is capable
of selling her game.

I can’t see any way that Venus will win this game even if she somehow
stumbles her way into F3. Her edit is dying.

Post by Brian Smith
If Kenz makes F3 she wins, even against Maria
and/or Charlie.

Charlie has been getting the winner’s edit IMO. He is able to do it all,
and
the only way that he can be beaten is to take him out prior to F4. Maria has
played a very good strategic game, but it has been so UTR that she might
not get the respect that she deserves from the jury. Kenzie's edit has
started
to tail off IMO. Her flip-flop in E10 concerning the Tiffany vote left her
completely out of the loop, and allowed Maria to pull the votes together to
get
it done. In order to win, Kenzie needs to get her game in order, and she is
running out of time.

Brian Smith

2024-05-02 23:01:19 UTC

Post by Brian Smith
think Liz also expected the the merge tribe to take rice as part of a
bargaining session with Jeff.

Someone must have been confident enough that she would get fish, crabs,
etc. to live off of. I'm sure we'll find out post season.

Post by Brian Smith
Maria and Charlie need to take each out before F3.

The prevailing wisdom would dictate such a move. But Charlie and
Maria are pretty tight, and, if given the chance to advance to FTC
together, might just take it.

I can see Charlie taking the chance but Maria will try to cut him around
F5. If they're at the end together, he'll get more votes than her.

Post by Brian Smith
If F3 is something
like Ben, Q, and Liz, Ben will win.

If Quintavius drives the votes that get Charlie and Maria out, and
ends up making it to FTC with Liz and Ben, he might be able to
talk his way to victory.

If he gets them both out that would be huge.

Post by Brian Smith
If Venus makes F3 against any of
those people, I predict she wins. She has a decent resume and is capable
of selling her game.

I can’t see any way that Venus will win this game even if she somehow
stumbles her way into F3. Her edit is dying.

No confessionals in Ep10 is not good but we've had winners with low
confessional numbers in the past.

Post by Brian Smith
If Kenz makes F3 she wins, even against Maria
and/or Charlie.

Being left out of the Tiff vote will probably be enough to get both
Venus and Kenz to target Maria. The problem is they need numbers and
likely no one left will work with them other than possibly Liz. Finding
the HII is going to be huge. If one of them finds it and the other wins
individual immunity they might be able to take out Maria or Charlie.

--
Brian

Zeppo

2024-05-03 01:58:51 UTC

Post by Brian Smith
I can see Charlie taking the chance but Maria will try to cut him around
F5. If they're at the end together, he'll get more votes than her.

Yes, if the F3 is Charlie, Maria, and a goat, my money would be on
Charlie. However if Charlie and Maria end up sitting with Kenzie, then
all bets are off.

Post by Brian Smith
If he gets them both out that would be huge.

TBH, I don’t really see that happening. Just trying to keep an open
mind. :-)

Post by Brian Smith
If Venus makes F3 against any of
those people, I predict she wins. She has a decent resume and is capable
of selling her game.

I can’t see any way that Venus will win this game even if she somehow
stumbles her way into F3. Her edit is dying.

No confessionals in Ep10 is not good but we've had winners with low
confessional numbers in the past.

Maybe in this season too. Maria has appeared in very few confessionals
considering how active she has been strategically. Somebody on Sucks
speculated that it’s because she’s “locked in” and is not giving the
on-site
producers much that can be used in the edit.

Post by Brian Smith
Being left out of the Tiff vote will probably be enough to get both
Venus and Kenz to target Maria. The problem is they need numbers and
likely no one left will work with them other than possibly Liz. Finding
the HII is going to be huge. If one of them finds it and the other wins
individual immunity they might be able to take out Maria or Charlie.

I’m glad you brought that up. Shouldn’t both immunity objects have been
re-hidden? Yet, in E10, with two days between tribal councils, we didn’t
hear a single person talk about looking for the replacement for Hunter’s
amulet.
Regarding numbers, wouldn’t it put a smile on Quintavius’s face if Kenzie
asks for his vote in order to get to the four that she will need to take out
Maria?

Brian Smith

2024-05-03 02:24:27 UTC

Post by Brian Smith
I can see Charlie taking the chance but Maria will try to cut him around
F5. If they're at the end together, he'll get more votes than her.

Yes, if the F3 is Charlie, Maria, and a goat, my money would be on
Charlie. However if Charlie and Maria end up sitting with Kenzie, then
all bets are off.

Not for me. Kenz would win. Siga's not a well-liked tribe and Kenz
appears to be liked by everyone.

Post by Brian Smith
If he gets them both out that would be huge.

TBH, I don’t really see that happening. Just trying to keep an open
mind. :-)

If he does and makes F3, he'll win.

Post by Brian Smith
If Venus makes F3 against any of
those people, I predict she wins. She has a decent resume and is capable
of selling her game.

I can’t see any way that Venus will win this game even if she somehow
stumbles her way into F3. Her edit is dying.

No confessionals in Ep10 is not good but we've had winners with low
confessional numbers in the past.

She could be a Dan Gheesling fan. Dan's arguably the best player ever on
BBUS winning once and finishing second another time (bitter as hell
jury!). He learned not to tell production his plans so they couldn't try
to screw him over.

They both should have been rehidden. We probably didn't hear any HII
hunting talk because no one found Hunter's. It would be crazy if Liz,
Venus, etc. didn't look for it while the others were off at the
Sanctuary for an entire night.

Post by Zeppo
Regarding numbers, wouldn’t it put a smile on Quintavius’s face if Kenzie
asks for his vote in order to get to the four that she will need to take out
Maria?

I can see her asking because she has so few options available to take
out Maria. The big question is will Q realize working with Maria and
Charlie is not best for his long-term game?

--
Brian

Rick

2024-05-03 03:06:41 UTC

Post by Brian Smith
I can see Charlie taking the chance but Maria will try to cut him around
F5. If they're at the end together, he'll get more votes than her.

Yes, if the F3 is Charlie, Maria, and a goat, my money would be on
Charlie. However if Charlie and Maria end up sitting with Kenzie, then
all bets are off.

Post by Brian Smith
If he gets them both out that would be huge.

TBH, I don’t really see that happening. Just trying to keep an open
mind. :-)

Post by Brian Smith
If Venus makes F3 against any of
those people, I predict she wins. She has a decent resume and is capable
of selling her game.

I can’t see any way that Venus will win this game even if she somehow
stumbles her way into F3. Her edit is dying.

No confessionals in Ep10 is not good but we've had winners with low
confessional numbers in the past.

It could be that no one was searching for the idol because no one knew for
sure that he had the idol?

It could also be that the searching happened but wasn't shown because no one
found it and because the theme of the episode seemed to be Liz' hunger and
meltdown. Even with 90-minute episodes, we don't see everything that
happens.

It's also possible (though unlikely) that someone did find it and we will
see it next time as a flashback. They haven't used the flashback technique
in a few episodes, but you never know.

--

Brian Smith

2024-05-02 21:24:24 UTC

This tweet from Mike Bloom is very interesting and helps to explain why
Liz was so mad at Q. This should have been shown.

#Survivor Talking with Tiffany now. She just revealed that Kenzie and
Maria both offered to give their Applebee's reward away to Liz. But Q
overruled them, saying that he's going to go with the people he picked.
More in my interview soon!

https://twitter.com/AMikeBloomType/status/1786042217661903037

Q in this tweet confirms what Tiff said is true.

This is true. I picked who I wanted to come with me. I said no to them
giving up their spot.

https://twitter.com/QMB_4/status/1786051011750076552

--
Brian

Rick

2024-05-02 21:48:56 UTC

This tweet from Mike Bloom is very interesting and helps to explain why Liz
was so mad at Q. This should have been shown.
#Survivor Talking with Tiffany now. She just revealed that Kenzie and Maria
both offered to give their Applebee's reward away to Liz. But Q overruled
them, saying that he's going to go with the people he picked. More in my
interview soon!
https://twitter.com/AMikeBloomType/status/1786042217661903037
Q in this tweet confirms what Tiff said is true.
This is true. I picked who I wanted to come with me. I said no to them
giving up their spot.
https://twitter.com/QMB_4/status/1786051011750076552

This is also confirmed in TVLine's interview with Tiff. She quotes Q as
saying:

"No, I don’t want her to come. We’re going to Applebee’s and I chose who I
chose.”

https://tvline.com/interviews/survivor-46-tiffany-ervin-interview-episode-10-1235227543/

--

Emanuel Berg

2024-05-07 07:21:31 UTC

A pretty good episode where an outburst from Liz got a lot
of attention.

I have actually been thinking for several years, if you
consider everything bad in Survivor, stress, lack of food,
poor sleep, paranoia etc - why there weren't more
such episodes?

I thought either it is the edit, they cut such scenes, or it
is something else - maybe you handle stress and misery in
another, more low-key way when you are outdoors? Or maybe you
don't have the energy to have such episodes when you
are starving?

But, because of how much they now focused on Liz, maybe that
means there have actually been very few such cases.

That said, maybe they over-focused on it? To me, it would have
been enough just to show it and move on.

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Rick

2024-05-07 20:24:23 UTC

Post by Emanuel Berg
A pretty good episode where an outburst from Liz got a lot
of attention.
I have actually been thinking for several years, if you
consider everything bad in Survivor, stress, lack of food,
poor sleep, paranoia etc - why there weren't more
such episodes?
I thought either it is the edit, they cut such scenes, or it
is something else - maybe you handle stress and misery in
another, more low-key way when you are outdoors? Or maybe you
don't have the energy to have such episodes when you
are starving?
But, because of how much they now focused on Liz, maybe that
means there have actually been very few such cases.
That said, maybe they over-focused on it? To me, it would have
been enough just to show it and move on.

I don't think these kind of outbursts are common because most people have
enough self-control not to make a fool out of themselves in front of seven
million viewers. In Liz' case, she either got to the point where she just
didn't care any more OR she did it knowingly because she wanted to guarantee
more exposure on the telecast and maybe she also thought this would make her
memorable enough that she might get invited back for a later season. In any
case, I think when something like this happens, it is a certainty that Jeff
will want to show it and milk it for whatever drama he can.

--

Brian Smith

2024-05-07 22:56:05 UTC

I don't think these kind of outbursts are common because most people
have enough self-control not to make a fool out of themselves in front
of seven million viewers. In Liz' case, she either got to the point
where she just didn't care any more OR she did it knowingly because she
wanted to guarantee more exposure on the telecast and maybe she also
thought this would make her memorable enough that she might get invited
back for a later season. In any case, I think when something like this
happens, it is a certainty that Jeff will want to show it and milk it
for whatever drama he can.

Now that we know everything that happened, thanks to Tiff, I'm pretty
convinced that Liz lost it because Q wouldn't let Maria and Tiff give up
their spots to go on the reward to Liz. There's also the bonus video
where it appeared most (all?) of the others had told her they would let
her go if food was involved. Q was the villain who stopped her from
getting food and having a vicarious connection with her daughter who she
probably fought hard to keep, via an Applebee's meal. As the #2 real
estate agent in the nation, you'd think Q would understand how important
such family moments are.

As for Jeff milking Liz's meltdown, I'm not so sure that was the case. I
think they showed it because it's going to impact the game at some
point. It's possible Q gets to the end and loses by one vote--Liz's
vote. Liz at the Aftershow: "Q, you denied me Applebee's so I denied you
a million dollars."

--
Brian

Rick

2024-05-07 23:28:10 UTC

I don't think these kind of outbursts are common because most people have
enough self-control not to make a fool out of themselves in front of
seven million viewers. In Liz' case, she either got to the point where
she just didn't care any more OR she did it knowingly because she wanted
to guarantee more exposure on the telecast and maybe she also thought
this would make her memorable enough that she might get invited back for
a later season. In any case, I think when something like this happens,
it is a certainty that Jeff will want to show it and milk it for whatever
drama he can.

Now that we know everything that happened, thanks to Tiff, I'm pretty
convinced that Liz lost it because Q wouldn't let Maria and Tiff give up
their spots to go on the reward to Liz. There's also the bonus video where
it appeared most (all?) of the others had told her they would let her go if
food was involved. Q was the villain who stopped her from getting food and
having a vicarious connection with her daughter who she probably fought
hard to keep, via an Applebee's meal. As the #2 real estate agent in the
nation, you'd think Q would understand how important such family moments
are.
As for Jeff milking Liz's meltdown, I'm not so sure that was the case. I
think they showed it because it's going to impact the game at some point.
It's possible Q gets to the end and loses by one vote--Liz's vote. Liz at
the Aftershow: "Q, you denied me Applebee's so I denied you a million
dollars."

If Liz really felt that strongly about Q, she potentially had it in her
power to vote him out on that very episode. But she voted for Tiff. That
tells me that she is still playing a strategic game under the covers and
will do what she thinks makes sense from a game standpoint. If she really
hated Q that much, she would have jumped at the opportunity to vote him out
at that point, since she'd have no way of knowing if she'd ever get the
opportunity again. Now I get that switching her vote to Q would only have
made it a 4-4 tie at that point, but as Rob Cesternino pointed out in his
podcast, if Liz really hated Q that much, after the votes were cast but
before Jeff read them, she could have said to Tiff that Maria, Charlie, Ben
and Q are all voting for her so play your idol. If Tiff plays her idol it
would have assured Q was out. But she didn't do any of that - she played it
strategically and voted out Tiff because she knew it made the most game
sense.

I think her legacy is important to her and if she actually decided to deny Q
a win at the end on such a non-game related, pouty teenager sort of reason,
I think in her mind it would hurt her brand for a possible return. At her
core, I think Liz is a businesswoman with a sharp, strategic mind, and I
just have a sense that some of what she is doing is less out-of-control than
it seems.

And regarding Jeff - I have NO doubt whatsoever that he will milk any
apparent emotional outburst for all he can get out of it. He loves that
sort of stuff and will play it up all he can.

--

Brian Smith

2024-05-08 00:19:19 UTC

I don't think these kind of outbursts are common because most people
have enough self-control not to make a fool out of themselves in
front of seven million viewers. In Liz' case, she either got to the
point where she just didn't care any more OR she did it knowingly
because she wanted to guarantee more exposure on the telecast and
maybe she also thought this would make her memorable enough that she
might get invited back for a later season. In any case, I think when
something like this happens, it is a certainty that Jeff will want to
show it and milk it for whatever drama he can.

Now that we know everything that happened, thanks to Tiff, I'm pretty
convinced that Liz lost it because Q wouldn't let Maria and Tiff give
up their spots to go on the reward to Liz. There's also the bonus
video where it appeared most (all?) of the others had told her they
would let her go if food was involved. Q was the villain who stopped
her from getting food and having a vicarious connection with her
daughter who she probably fought hard to keep, via an Applebee's meal.
As the #2 real estate agent in the nation, you'd think Q would
understand how important such family moments are.
As for Jeff milking Liz's meltdown, I'm not so sure that was the case.
I think they showed it because it's going to impact the game at some
point. It's possible Q gets to the end and loses by one vote--Liz's
vote. Liz at the Aftershow: "Q, you denied me Applebee's so I denied
you a million dollars."

I don't think Liz hates Q and she's definitely playing to win. She loves
money! If she had told Tiff what's going on would she have been safe? If
Tiff played her idol I think Maria's gang would blame Liz and vote her
out next.

Post by Rick
I think her legacy is important to her and if she actually decided to
deny Q a win at the end on such a non-game related, pouty teenager sort
of reason, I think in her mind it would hurt her brand for a possible
return. At her core, I think Liz is a businesswoman with a sharp,
strategic mind, and I just have a sense that some of what she is doing
is less out-of-control than it seems.

Liz denying Q the million would most likely result in both of them being
chosen for S50. Jeff will be over his "no villains" phase by then.

Post by Rick
And regarding Jeff - I have NO doubt whatsoever that he will milk any
apparent emotional outburst for all he can get out of it. He loves
that sort of stuff and will play it up all he can.

I honestly don't think that's the case. We know from the BB live feeds
that tons of explosive content never makes an episode. Rich and Allison,
the executive producers, have said numerous times that if something
controversial, etc. impacts the storyline that it will be shown and I've
fond that to be the case over the years even when it casts a bad light
on the show.

--
Brian

Rick

2024-05-08 00:56:10 UTC

I don't think these kind of outbursts are common because most people
have enough self-control not to make a fool out of themselves in front
of seven million viewers. In Liz' case, she either got to the point
where she just didn't care any more OR she did it knowingly because she
wanted to guarantee more exposure on the telecast and maybe she also
thought this would make her memorable enough that she might get invited
back for a later season. In any case, I think when something like this
happens, it is a certainty that Jeff will want to show it and milk it
for whatever drama he can.

Now that we know everything that happened, thanks to Tiff, I'm pretty
convinced that Liz lost it because Q wouldn't let Maria and Tiff give up
their spots to go on the reward to Liz. There's also the bonus video
where it appeared most (all?) of the others had told her they would let
her go if food was involved. Q was the villain who stopped her from
getting food and having a vicarious connection with her daughter who she
probably fought hard to keep, via an Applebee's meal. As the #2 real
estate agent in the nation, you'd think Q would understand how important
such family moments are.
As for Jeff milking Liz's meltdown, I'm not so sure that was the case. I
think they showed it because it's going to impact the game at some
point. It's possible Q gets to the end and loses by one vote--Liz's
vote. Liz at the Aftershow: "Q, you denied me Applebee's so I denied you
a million dollars."

Liz denying Q the million would most likely result in both of them being
chosen for S50. Jeff will be over his "no villains" phase by then.

Post by Rick
And regarding Jeff - I have NO doubt whatsoever that he will milk any
apparent emotional outburst for all he can get out of it. He loves that
sort of stuff and will play it up all he can.

I honestly don't think that's the case. We know from the BB live feeds that
tons of explosive content never makes an episode. Rich and Allison, the
executive producers, have said numerous times that if something
controversial, etc. impacts the storyline that it will be shown and I've
fond that to be the case over the years even when it casts a bad light on
the show.

But that's BB, which is a different show from Survivor. First of all, BB is
really two shows - the live feed and the show edited for broadcast - and it
would be impossible to include everything from the raw feeds into the
telecast. It would also not be possible to exclude anything important from
the edited show if it was seen on the live feeds. But more importantly, BB
is much more of a strategic show than Survivor since the players are not
physically deprived as they are on Survivor. They are well-fed, kept
physically comfortable, and they literally have little to do except to
strategize and make game moves. Survivor is mega-different. Being
deprived of food and having to cope with the elements tends to cause people
on Survivor to have raw emotions, and you can bet Jeff will always try to
exploit that, especially in the new era. The proof is how he devoted so
much of the early episodes this season to Bhanu. None of that had any real
impact on the game, and I think the Liz outburst is similar. If it's
someone showing genuine emotion, Jeff will show it.

--

Emanuel Berg

2024-05-07 23:54:50 UTC

Post by Rick
I don't think these kind of outbursts are common because
most people have enough self-control not to make a fool out
of themselves in front of seven million viewers.

Naah, I wouldn't say one would make a fool of oneself if one
get angry once in a while, and also don't think that kind of
self-control is possible from so many people all those seasons
playing Survivor just because there are cameras, actually
I think one don't think about them pretty soon since they are
always there. I never liked Liz a lot tho, just saying.

But I also mean less outbursting than this, people seems to
not be irritated, annoyed, mean, short, smart etc with each
other, just imagine how it would sound here in civilization if
people didn't eat, sleep and were stressed out and paranoid
like they are on the show?

Probably they don't include a lot of that in the edit, which
is good, because why do it? Only the worst couple of cases of
haywire/meltdown are included, but they seem to be pretty
rare. Tropical beach and soothing ocean and jungle and lack of
food and sleep so no energy for that, maybe, or some of those
are also not included in the edit?

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Brian Smith

2024-05-08 00:26:56 UTC

Post by Rick
I don't think these kind of outbursts are common because
most people have enough self-control not to make a fool out
of themselves in front of seven million viewers.

Having a cameraman and audio guy following you around all the time would
be hard to ignore. For me, that would be one of the hardest aspects of
playing Survivor.

Post by Emanuel Berg
But I also mean less outbursting than this, people seems to
not be irritated, annoyed, mean, short, smart etc with each
other, just imagine how it would sound here in civilization if
people didn't eat, sleep and were stressed out and paranoid
like they are on the show?
Probably they don't include a lot of that in the edit, which
is good, because why do it? Only the worst couple of cases of
haywire/meltdown are included, but they seem to be pretty
rare. Tropical beach and soothing ocean and jungle and lack of
food and sleep so no energy for that, maybe, or some of those
are also not included in the edit?

There's also no time to show meltdowns. I'm guessing most viewers would
rather see strategic game play than people yelling at each other.

--
Brian

Emanuel Berg

2024-05-08 01:23:51 UTC

Post by Brian Smith
Having a cameraman and audio guy following you around all
the time would be hard to ignore. For me, that would be one
of the hardest aspects of playing Survivor.

Interesting, I think I would stop thinking about them
instantly. Since they are always there anyway, I would just
note them once and then don't think of them anymore, just
focus on everything else since that would overwhelm my inputs
anyway by a landslide, and then I would just go on
instinct/intuition.

Post by Brian Smith
There's also no time to show meltdowns. I'm guessing most
viewers would rather see strategic game play than people
yelling at each other.

Yes, and I agree with them.

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Rick

2024-05-08 03:24:38 UTC

Post by Rick
I don't think these kind of outbursts are common because
most people have enough self-control not to make a fool out
of themselves in front of seven million viewers.

Having a cameraman and audio guy following you around all the time would be
hard to ignore. For me, that would be one of the hardest aspects of playing
Survivor.

Surprisingly, everyone I have ever heard talk about this says that after a
couple of days you tend to ignore the camera people and effectively forget
they are there. I personally find that hard to believe, particularly with
smart, savvy people who have self awareness, but I have heard so many people
say this that I suspect it is true - at least for most people.

--

Brian Smith

2024-05-08 23:02:03 UTC

Post by Rick
I don't think these kind of outbursts are common because
most people have enough self-control not to make a fool out
of themselves in front of seven million viewers.

Having a cameraman and audio guy following you around all the time
would be hard to ignore. For me, that would be one of the hardest
aspects of playing Survivor.

Surprisingly, everyone I have ever heard talk about this says that after
a couple of days you tend to ignore the camera people and effectively
forget they are there. I personally find that hard to believe,
particularly with smart, savvy people who have self awareness, but I
have heard so many people say this that I suspect it is true - at least
for most people.

I find it hard to believe as well. I'd be paying attention to where the
cameramen look and where they go to see if I could get some clues.
Having people just feet away from you with big cameras and boom mics
would be really hard to ignore. If people are saying they can ignore
these guys after a few days I have to wonder if any of them ever won.

--
Brian

Emanuel Berg

2024-05-09 09:32:34 UTC

Post by Rick
Surprisingly, everyone I have ever heard talk about this
says that after a couple of days you tend to ignore the
camera people and effectively forget they are there.
I personally find that hard to believe, particularly with
smart, savvy people who have self awareness, but I have
heard so many people say this that I suspect it is true -
at least for most people.

I find it hard to believe as well. I'd be paying attention
to where the cameramen look and where they go to see if
I could get some clues. Having people just feet away from
you with big cameras and boom mics would be really hard to
ignore. If people are saying they can ignore these guys
after a few days I have to wonder if any of them ever won.

I think you practically ignore them very quickly because they
are always there and there is nothing you can do about it, so
why think about it? Especially when there are much more
interesting things to think about and do on Survivor.

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Rick

2024-05-09 18:55:51 UTC