S47 Ep09 Spoilers and Comments (11/13/2024)

Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Nightmare Fuel." There's a couple of
interesting sneak peek clips for this episode. In one, Sam, Sol, Teeny,
and Gen are discussing the last vote and how they can't figure out Gabe.
Gen's silence in this clip speaks volumes. She's clearly taking in
everything that's being said.
The other clip is of Andy and Rachel talking and bonding. Rachel's
social game is way better than I thought it was at the start of the season.

I think Rachel, Caroline and Genevieve are all playing a smart,
strategic game, and I'm wondering how far the three of them will go.
Could we possibly have an all-female final three, with all three coming
from separate tribes? Guess we will see.

Brian Smith

2024-11-14 00:45:58 UTC

Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Nightmare Fuel." There's a couple of
interesting sneak peek clips for this episode. In one, Sam, Sol,
Teeny, and Gen are discussing the last vote and how they can't figure
out Gabe. Gen's silence in this clip speaks volumes. She's clearly
taking in everything that's being said.
The other clip is of Andy and Rachel talking and bonding. Rachel's
social game is way better than I thought it was at the start of the season.

I would love to see those three at the end. Jeff would probably not like it.

--
Brian

Brian Smith

2024-11-14 04:06:30 UTC

I found this to be a very chaotic episode. Was it really like that or
was the edit just misleading?

The full scene with Andy and Rachel at the start of the episode has me
thinking that Andy's more interested in blowing up games now than he is
in winning.

Immunity Challenge

The twists involved with the IC tonight were complete bullshit as far as
I'm concerned. Having to pair up ahead of time without any knowledge of
what the challenge would be was nonsense. Why would anyone expect the
first four players (two teams) out to lose their votes and then be given
a chance to earn them back in a reverse Jenga challenge?

I thought Probst was a jerk when he didn't own that production messed up
by having a bag with a weak strap. That cost Andy and Sam a chance to
move on in the challenge. Jeff: "That's on you!" No Jeff, that's on you.

Sue and Gen were both way too timid crossing the balance beam and I
think that cost one of them an immunity win. Kyle losing to his partner
Gabe at the end might have saved his ass this week.

Journey

The reverse Jenga challenge was crazy. Not being in full control of
whether or not you get your vote back was stupid. At least Caroline
wasn't targeted because she lost her vote.

Reward Picnic

The four players who lasted the longest in the IC got to go on a picnic.
There was next to no game talk but we got a ton of burping from Gabe and
Sol. This past summer on BB26 it was farting.

Targeting Before Tribal Council

From the time the four vote losers returned to camp until the end of
the episode, I was lost as to what might happen. Gen clearly wanted to
blindside Sol but there was so much confusion and other names being
thrown out that I had no idea what would happen at TC.

Tribal Council

On a bit of a side note, Sierra looked like she was ready to kill. And
what was with the "Good!" when Jeff said to Caroline "So you've lost
your vote for tonight?" I don't recall those two having much interaction
with each other. Jealousy?

All of the back and forth whispering while Jeff was talking to them was
distracting. Gen's comment about it being important to know when to
change your plan based on whispering going on and when it's just noise,
was very on point. Caroline also realized it was just noise. I had to
laugh when Jeff said to her "but you could still be voted out tonight"
and she replied "don't throw that out there!"

Sol getting blindsided tonight didn't surprise me. This is after the
fact. Everyone voting to boot him did. How long did that TC last? Based
on what we were shown there's no way they all knew to vote for Sol.
Gen's comment "I fucking can't believe that worked out" has me believing
it was a long TC.

Once again, Teeny lost an ally and someone she was close to in the
game.She was clearly upset at the end. She's also pissed tonight that
she's being attacked online.

If I hadn’t voted for SOL I would’ve been the singular person on the
outside of the vote. I learned the situation. There was no difference to
make. Read a textbook listen to a podcast get off me d*** #survivor47

https://x.com/teenychill/status/1856889713275146385

Next Episode

Looks like Andy is ready to do some more backstabbing.

This was a strong episode for Gen. She's cutthroat to the core. This
might be her advantage over Caroline and Rachel.

--
Brian

Rick

2024-11-14 05:11:27 UTC

Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Nightmare Fuel." There's a couple of
interesting sneak peek clips for this episode. In one, Sam, Sol,
Teeny, and Gen are discussing the last vote and how they can't figure
out Gabe. Gen's silence in this clip speaks volumes. She's clearly
taking in everything that's being said.
The other clip is of Andy and Rachel talking and bonding. Rachel's
social game is way better than I thought it was at the start of the season.

I found this to be a very chaotic episode. Was it really like that or
was the edit just misleading?

The edit was definitely confusing.

Post by Brian Smith
The full scene with Andy and Rachel at the start of the episode has me
thinking that Andy's more interested in blowing up games now than he is
in winning.

I agree. Andy's constant giddiness and self-absorbed reactions are
really off-putting. It's rare I dislike a player as much I dislike
Andy. I think he just wants camera time.

Post by Brian Smith
Immunity Challenge
The twists involved with the IC tonight were complete bullshit as far as
I'm concerned. Having to pair up ahead of time without any knowledge of
what the challenge would be was nonsense. Why would anyone expect the
first four players (two teams) out to lose their votes and then be given
a chance to earn them back in a reverse Jenga challenge?

Well I think that was the point. The game is about surprises and luck,
and of course no one would ever have guessed any of that. I firmly
believe that no matter how strategic and intelligent a game you play,
luck is the biggest single factor in determining who wins the game.

Post by Brian Smith
I thought Probst was a jerk when he didn't own that production messed up
by having a bag with a weak strap. That cost Andy and Sam a chance to
move on in the challenge. Jeff: "That's on you!" No Jeff, that's on you.

I'm not sure about that. Was it actually due to a weak strap or was it
just the way they were pulling on the bag without clearing the dirt
around it first. Seemed to me the other teams dug a lot more dirt out
and then just pulled the whole bag out, whereas Andy and Sam seemed to
be trying to brute force pull the bag out by just the strap.

Post by Brian Smith
Sue and Gen were both way too timid crossing the balance beam and I
think that cost one of them an immunity win. Kyle losing to his partner
Gabe at the end might have saved his ass this week.

Say what? If Kyle had not lost to Gabe, then Kyle would have won the
immunity.

I was really annoyed they focused so much on the burping. Do the
producers really think anyone wants to see any of that stuff? The only
thing worse is when they show gagging/vomiting during gross food
challenges.

Post by Brian Smith
Targeting Before Tribal Council
From the time the four vote losers returned to camp until the end of
the episode, I was lost as to what might happen. Gen clearly wanted to
blindside Sol but there was so much confusion and other names being
thrown out that I had no idea what would happen at TC.

Same here. I was thoroughly confused and had no idea who was going home.

No, I think Sierra was just mad at Caroline for voting against her the
previous TC on both votes.

Post by Brian Smith
All of the back and forth whispering while Jeff was talking to them was
distracting. Gen's comment about it being important to know when to
change your plan based on whispering going on and when it's just noise,
was very on point. Caroline also realized it was just noise. I had to
laugh when Jeff said to her "but you could still be voted out tonight"
and she replied "don't throw that out there!"
Sol getting blindsided tonight didn't surprise me. This is after the
fact. Everyone voting to boot him did. How long did that TC last? Based
on what we were shown there's no way they all knew to vote for Sol.
Gen's comment "I fucking can't believe that worked out" has me believing
it was a long TC.

It has been established many times that TC always goes at least a hour
and sometimes two hours. In this case there was probably considerably
more side talking than we were shown - and yes, it seems at the end
that everyone knew to vote for Sol.

The interesting thing is that by leading the effort to get rid of Sol,
Gen reduced her old Lavo tribe to just two members (she and Teeny) while
Tuku kept its number at four. I was sure a Tuku would go home tonight,
either Sue or Kyle, which would have brought each tribe to the same
three members.

Post by Brian Smith
Once again, Teeny lost an ally and someone she was close to in the
game.She was clearly upset at the end. She's also pissed tonight that
she's being attacked online.
If I hadn’t voted for SOL I would’ve been the singular person on the
outside of the vote. I learned the situation. There was no difference to
make. Read a textbook listen to a podcast get off me d*** #survivor47
https://x.com/teenychill/status/1856889713275146385
Next Episode
Looks like Andy is ready to do some more backstabbing.
This was a strong episode for Gen. She's cutthroat to the core. This
might be her advantage over Caroline and Rachel.

Except that her tribe is now down to just her and Teeny, who's clearly
not that close with her. Rachel still has Sam and Caroline is still
tight with both Sue and Gabe. Who does that leave for Gen - Andy?

Brian Smith

2024-11-14 05:49:35 UTC

Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Nightmare Fuel." There's a couple of
interesting sneak peek clips for this episode. In one, Sam, Sol,
Teeny, and Gen are discussing the last vote and how they can't figure
out Gabe. Gen's silence in this clip speaks volumes. She's clearly
taking in everything that's being said.
The other clip is of Andy and Rachel talking and bonding. Rachel's
social game is way better than I thought it was at the start of the season.

I found this to be a very chaotic episode. Was it really like that or
was the edit just misleading?

The edit was definitely confusing.

Post by Brian Smith
The full scene with Andy and Rachel at the start of the episode has me
thinking that Andy's more interested in blowing up games now than he
is in winning.

I agree. Andy's constant giddiness and self-absorbed reactions are
really off-putting. It's rare I dislike a player as much I dislike
Andy. I think he just wants camera time.

You might be right. He's had so many opportunities to recover from his
Day 3 (?) meltdown but he continually sabotages good alliance
opportunities presented to him.

Post by Brian Smith
Immunity Challenge
The twists involved with the IC tonight were complete bullshit as far
as I'm concerned. Having to pair up ahead of time without any
knowledge of what the challenge would be was nonsense. Why would
anyone expect the first four players (two teams) out to lose their
votes and then be given a chance to earn them back in a reverse Jenga
challenge?

Luck is definitely a huge factor in winning the game. I'm okay with
surprises as long as they don't have a huge impact on the game. Throwing
totally random crap into the mix isn't helping the game.

Post by Brian Smith
I thought Probst was a jerk when he didn't own that production messed
up by having a bag with a weak strap. That cost Andy and Sam a chance
to move on in the challenge. Jeff: "That's on you!" No Jeff, that's on
you.

They were using the brute force method but production should have
realized that was a possibility.

Post by Brian Smith
Sue and Gen were both way too timid crossing the balance beam and I
think that cost one of them an immunity win. Kyle losing to his
partner Gabe at the end might have saved his ass this week.

Say what? If Kyle had not lost to Gabe, then Kyle would have won the
immunity.

Good point! Major brainfart on my part.

Jeff's trying to appeal to young viewers and must think they love shit
like that. I would have preferred more footage from TC showing how they
all got on the same page.

Same here. I was thoroughly confused and had no idea who was going home.

No, I think Sierra was just mad at Caroline for voting against her the
previous TC on both votes.

Didn't they all vote against her in the tiebreaker vote? Why take it out
on Caroline?

Post by Brian Smith
All of the back and forth whispering while Jeff was talking to them
was distracting. Gen's comment about it being important to know when
to change your plan based on whispering going on and when it's just
noise, was very on point. Caroline also realized it was just noise. I
had to laugh when Jeff said to her "but you could still be voted out
tonight" and she replied "don't throw that out there!"
Sol getting blindsided tonight didn't surprise me. This is after the
fact. Everyone voting to boot him did. How long did that TC last?
Based on what we were shown there's no way they all knew to vote for
Sol. Gen's comment "I fucking can't believe that worked out" has me
believing it was a long TC.

It has been established many times that TC always goes at least a hour
and sometimes two hours. In this case there was probably considerably
more side talking than we were shown - and yes, it seems at the end
that everyone knew to vote for Sol.
The interesting thing is that by leading the effort to get rid of Sol,
Gen reduced her old Lavo tribe to just two members (she and Teeny) while
Tuku kept its number at four. I was sure a Tuku would go home tonight,
either Sue or Kyle, which would have brought each tribe to the same
three members.

Targeting Sue at this point in the game made no sense to me. Did anyone
other than Sol take targeting her seriously? Kyle surviving the night
was a bit surprising to me. Gen must have really considered Sol to be a
threat.

Post by Brian Smith
Once again, Teeny lost an ally and someone she was close to in the
game.She was clearly upset at the end. She's also pissed tonight that
she's being attacked online.
If I hadn’t voted for SOL I would’ve been the singular person on the
outside of the vote. I learned the situation. There was no difference
to make. Read a textbook listen to a podcast get off me d*** #survivor47
https://x.com/teenychill/status/1856889713275146385
Next Episode
Looks like Andy is ready to do some more backstabbing.
This was a strong episode for Gen. She's cutthroat to the core. This
might be her advantage over Caroline and Rachel.

Gen seems to have good relationships with most of the people left. IIRC,
she now knows that Sue and Caroline don't like Kyle so I can see her
targeting him next. Who does Kyle have left as an ally? Probably no one
as Gabe will side with Sue and Caroline over him. Also, who does Teeny
have left as a true ally? I'd like to see Andy go next but it's really
looking like he's going to make at least F6.

--
Brian

Rick

2024-11-14 16:12:02 UTC

Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Nightmare Fuel." There's a couple of
interesting sneak peek clips for this episode. In one, Sam, Sol,
Teeny, and Gen are discussing the last vote and how they can't
figure out Gabe. Gen's silence in this clip speaks volumes. She's
clearly taking in everything that's being said.
The other clip is of Andy and Rachel talking and bonding. Rachel's
social game is way better than I thought it was at the start of the season.

I found this to be a very chaotic episode. Was it really like that or
was the edit just misleading?

The edit was definitely confusing.

Post by Brian Smith
The full scene with Andy and Rachel at the start of the episode has
me thinking that Andy's more interested in blowing up games now than
he is in winning.

I agree. Andy's constant giddiness and self-absorbed reactions are
really off-putting. It's rare I dislike a player as much I dislike
Andy. I think he just wants camera time.

You might be right. He's had so many opportunities to recover from his
Day 3 (?) meltdown but he continually sabotages good alliance
opportunities presented to him.

Post by Brian Smith
Immunity Challenge
The twists involved with the IC tonight were complete bullshit as far
as I'm concerned. Having to pair up ahead of time without any
knowledge of what the challenge would be was nonsense. Why would
anyone expect the first four players (two teams) out to lose their
votes and then be given a chance to earn them back in a reverse Jenga
challenge?

Well I think that was the point. The game is about surprises and
luck, and of course no one would ever have guessed any of that. I
firmly believe that no matter how strategic and intelligent a game you
play, luck is the biggest single factor in determining who wins the game.

Luck is definitely a huge factor in winning the game. I'm okay with
surprises as long as they don't have a huge impact on the game. Throwing
totally random crap into the mix isn't helping the game.

Post by Brian Smith
I thought Probst was a jerk when he didn't own that production messed
up by having a bag with a weak strap. That cost Andy and Sam a chance
to move on in the challenge. Jeff: "That's on you!" No Jeff, that's
on you.

I'm not sure about that. Was it actually due to a weak strap or was
it just the way they were pulling on the bag without clearing the dirt
around it first. Seemed to me the other teams dug a lot more dirt out
and then just pulled the whole bag out, whereas Andy and Sam seemed to
be trying to brute force pull the bag out by just the strap.

They were using the brute force method but production should have
realized that was a possibility.

They probably did. The challenges are thoroughly tested by the Dream
Team, and I'm sure this came up as a possibility. It's also possible
that in the walk-through they do before the challenge they may have
alerted the team that you have to dig out all the dirt around the bag
before just pulling on it.

Remember, the challenges are carefully monitored by the show's legal
team to assure it conforms to game show rules for fairness. If the bag
tearing were really perceived as causing an unfair disadvantage to that
team, I'm sure they would have stopped the challenge, stopped the
cameras, re-buried the bag, and then resumed the challenge. In that
case, it wouldn't have even been shown.

Post by Brian Smith
Sue and Gen were both way too timid crossing the balance beam and I
think that cost one of them an immunity win. Kyle losing to his
partner Gabe at the end might have saved his ass this week.

Say what? If Kyle had not lost to Gabe, then Kyle would have won the
immunity.

Good point! Major brainfart on my part.

I was really annoyed they focused so much on the burping. Do the
producers really think anyone wants to see any of that stuff? The
only thing worse is when they show gagging/vomiting during gross food
challenges.

Jeff's trying to appeal to young viewers and must think they love shit
like that. I would have preferred more footage from TC showing how they
all got on the same page.

Not sure why Jeff would be trying to alienate his older audience.
Survivor has been a major ratings success throughout its existence. For
S46, I believe it was the top-rated entertainment show in all key
demographics. In contrast, BB, which has always appealed more to
younger audiences, has never gotten great ratings.

Post by Brian Smith
Targeting Before Tribal Council
From the time the four vote losers returned to camp until the end of
the episode, I was lost as to what might happen. Gen clearly wanted
to blindside Sol but there was so much confusion and other names
being thrown out that I had no idea what would happen at TC.

Same here. I was thoroughly confused and had no idea who was going home.

No, I think Sierra was just mad at Caroline for voting against her the
previous TC on both votes.

Didn't they all vote against her in the tiebreaker vote? Why take it out
on Caroline?

Yes, they all voted against her in the tie break. But I'm pretty sure
Caroline also voted against her in the first vote, which is what forced
the re-vote. And she probably is annoyed because she shared the
chocolate with her in the reward and thought she had bonded with her.

Post by Brian Smith
All of the back and forth whispering while Jeff was talking to them
was distracting. Gen's comment about it being important to know when
to change your plan based on whispering going on and when it's just
noise, was very on point. Caroline also realized it was just noise. I
had to laugh when Jeff said to her "but you could still be voted out
tonight" and she replied "don't throw that out there!"
Sol getting blindsided tonight didn't surprise me. This is after the
fact. Everyone voting to boot him did. How long did that TC last?
Based on what we were shown there's no way they all knew to vote for
Sol. Gen's comment "I fucking can't believe that worked out" has me
believing it was a long TC.

It has been established many times that TC always goes at least a hour
and sometimes two hours. In this case there was probably
considerably more side talking than we were shown - and yes, it seems
at the end that everyone knew to vote for Sol.
The interesting thing is that by leading the effort to get rid of Sol,
Gen reduced her old Lavo tribe to just two members (she and Teeny)
while Tuku kept its number at four. I was sure a Tuku would go home
tonight, either Sue or Kyle, which would have brought each tribe to
the same three members.

Yeah, I don't get that either. Kyle could easily go on an immunity run
that would take him right to the finals. He's so under the radar, it
reminds me a little bit of Gabler back in S43, except Gabler wasn't any
kind of physical threat. It's hard to imagine the last time there was
such a physical threat who is so overshadowed by other players,
especially Gabe.

Regarding Sue, the only thing I can think of is that perhaps they are
afraid if she makes it to the end, people will give her votes because
she made it so far without being an obvious threat. I wonder if anyone
knows her true age and is thinking she will reveal it at F3 if she gets
that far? I also wonder if they all know she is a pilot and owns her
own flight school?

Post by Brian Smith
Once again, Teeny lost an ally and someone she was close to in the
game.She was clearly upset at the end. She's also pissed tonight that
she's being attacked online.
If I hadn’t voted for SOL I would’ve been the singular person on the
outside of the vote. I learned the situation. There was no difference
to make. Read a textbook listen to a podcast get off me d*** #survivor47
https://x.com/teenychill/status/1856889713275146385
Next Episode
Looks like Andy is ready to do some more backstabbing.
This was a strong episode for Gen. She's cutthroat to the core. This
might be her advantage over Caroline and Rachel.

Teeny is a mystery to me. She keeps losing allies (going back to Aysha)
and I really wonder how long she can survive. She seems really
personable, but I'm just not clear on what her path forward might be.

Brian Smith

2024-11-14 23:34:15 UTC

Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Nightmare Fuel." There's a couple of
interesting sneak peek clips for this episode. In one, Sam, Sol,
Teeny, and Gen are discussing the last vote and how they can't
figure out Gabe. Gen's silence in this clip speaks volumes. She's
clearly taking in everything that's being said.
The other clip is of Andy and Rachel talking and bonding. Rachel's
social game is way better than I thought it was at the start of the season.

I found this to be a very chaotic episode. Was it really like that
or was the edit just misleading?

The edit was definitely confusing.

Post by Brian Smith
The full scene with Andy and Rachel at the start of the episode has
me thinking that Andy's more interested in blowing up games now than
he is in winning.

I agree. Andy's constant giddiness and self-absorbed reactions are
really off-putting. It's rare I dislike a player as much I dislike
Andy. I think he just wants camera time.

You might be right. He's had so many opportunities to recover from his
Day 3 (?) meltdown but he continually sabotages good alliance
opportunities presented to him.

Post by Brian Smith
Immunity Challenge
The twists involved with the IC tonight were complete bullshit as
far as I'm concerned. Having to pair up ahead of time without any
knowledge of what the challenge would be was nonsense. Why would
anyone expect the first four players (two teams) out to lose their
votes and then be given a chance to earn them back in a reverse
Jenga challenge?

Well I think that was the point. The game is about surprises and
luck, and of course no one would ever have guessed any of that. I
firmly believe that no matter how strategic and intelligent a game
you play, luck is the biggest single factor in determining who wins
the game.

Luck is definitely a huge factor in winning the game. I'm okay with
surprises as long as they don't have a huge impact on the game.
Throwing totally random crap into the mix isn't helping the game.

Post by Brian Smith
I thought Probst was a jerk when he didn't own that production
messed up by having a bag with a weak strap. That cost Andy and Sam
a chance to move on in the challenge. Jeff: "That's on you!" No
Jeff, that's on you.

I'm not sure about that. Was it actually due to a weak strap or was
it just the way they were pulling on the bag without clearing the
dirt around it first. Seemed to me the other teams dug a lot more
dirt out and then just pulled the whole bag out, whereas Andy and Sam
seemed to be trying to brute force pull the bag out by just the strap.

They were using the brute force method but production should have
realized that was a possibility.

They probably did. The challenges are thoroughly tested by the Dream
Team, and I'm sure this came up as a possibility. It's also possible
that in the walk-through they do before the challenge they may have
alerted the team that you have to dig out all the dirt around the bag
before just pulling on it.
Remember, the challenges are carefully monitored by the show's legal
team to assure it conforms to game show rules for fairness. If the bag
tearing were really perceived as causing an unfair disadvantage to that
team, I'm sure they would have stopped the challenge, stopped the
cameras, re-buried the bag, and then resumed the challenge. In that
case, it wouldn't have even been shown.

Post by Brian Smith
Sue and Gen were both way too timid crossing the balance beam and I
think that cost one of them an immunity win. Kyle losing to his
partner Gabe at the end might have saved his ass this week.

Say what? If Kyle had not lost to Gabe, then Kyle would have won the
immunity.

Good point! Major brainfart on my part.

I was really annoyed they focused so much on the burping. Do the
producers really think anyone wants to see any of that stuff? The
only thing worse is when they show gagging/vomiting during gross food
challenges.

Jeff's trying to appeal to young viewers and must think they love shit
like that. I would have preferred more footage from TC showing how
they all got on the same page.

I don't think Jeff is trying to alienate his older audience. He might be
taking them for granted assuming they will always be there. I think he
wants to expand the audience and ensure the next generation become fans.

Post by Brian Smith
Targeting Before Tribal Council
From the time the four vote losers returned to camp until the end
of the episode, I was lost as to what might happen. Gen clearly
wanted to blindside Sol but there was so much confusion and other
names being thrown out that I had no idea what would happen at TC.

Same here. I was thoroughly confused and had no idea who was going home.

No, I think Sierra was just mad at Caroline for voting against her
the previous TC on both votes.

Didn't they all vote against her in the tiebreaker vote? Why take it
out on Caroline?

Caroline did vote against her in the first vote but so did Gabe whom she
also shared her chocolate and peanut butter reward with. IIRC, Caroline
was trying to steer the focus off of her tribe onto Gata before the IC.
Did Sierra think choosing Caroline to share her food item was enough to
have Caroline risk her game?

Post by Brian Smith
All of the back and forth whispering while Jeff was talking to them
was distracting. Gen's comment about it being important to know when
to change your plan based on whispering going on and when it's just
noise, was very on point. Caroline also realized it was just noise.
I had to laugh when Jeff said to her "but you could still be voted
out tonight" and she replied "don't throw that out there!"
Sol getting blindsided tonight didn't surprise me. This is after the
fact. Everyone voting to boot him did. How long did that TC last?
Based on what we were shown there's no way they all knew to vote for
Sol. Gen's comment "I fucking can't believe that worked out" has me
believing it was a long TC.

It has been established many times that TC always goes at least a
hour and sometimes two hours. In this case there was probably
considerably more side talking than we were shown - and yes, it
seems at the end that everyone knew to vote for Sol.
The interesting thing is that by leading the effort to get rid of
Sol, Gen reduced her old Lavo tribe to just two members (she and
Teeny) while Tuku kept its number at four. I was sure a Tuku would
go home tonight, either Sue or Kyle, which would have brought each
tribe to the same three members.

Targeting Sue at this point in the game made no sense to me. Did
anyone other than Sol take targeting her seriously? Kyle surviving the
night was a bit surprising to me. Gen must have really considered Sol
to be a threat.

I wouldn't say Kyle's under the radar. His name gets brought up all the
time. I think Gabe is being protected by Sue and Caroline. If his name
gets mentioned, Sue shoots it down right away.

Regarding Sue, the only thing I can think of is that perhaps they are
afraid if she makes it to the end, people will give her votes because
she made it so far without being an obvious threat. I wonder if anyone
knows her true age and is thinking she will reveal it at F3 if she gets
that far? I also wonder if they all know she is a pilot and owns her
own flight school?

Sue getting votes at the end would depend on her being able to sell the
jury a good story. I think she could that. She could be targeted now to
weaken Gabe and Caroline. Didn't someone last night say that Gabe and
Caroline would be lost without Sue? If she's seen as the ringleader she
very well might get votes at the end.

If anyone knows Sue's true age and that she's a pilot, etc. it would be
Caroline. I'd laugh if at the end of the game if we find out that Sue is
Caroline's aunt.

Post by Brian Smith
Once again, Teeny lost an ally and someone she was close to in the
game.She was clearly upset at the end. She's also pissed tonight
that she's being attacked online.
If I hadn’t voted for SOL I would’ve been the singular person on the
outside of the vote. I learned the situation. There was no
difference to make. Read a textbook listen to a podcast get off me
d*** #survivor47
https://x.com/teenychill/status/1856889713275146385
Next Episode
Looks like Andy is ready to do some more backstabbing.
This was a strong episode for Gen. She's cutthroat to the core. This
might be her advantage over Caroline and Rachel.

Except that her tribe is now down to just her and Teeny, who's
clearly not that close with her. Rachel still has Sam and Caroline
is still tight with both Sue and Gabe. Who does that leave for Gen -
Andy?

Gen seems to have good relationships with most of the people left.
IIRC, she now knows that Sue and Caroline don't like Kyle so I can see
her targeting him next. Who does Kyle have left as an ally? Probably
no one as Gabe will side with Sue and Caroline over him. Also, who
does Teeny have left as a true ally? I'd like to see Andy go next but
it's really looking like he's going to make at least F6.

Teeny seems very unlucky to me. Exact opposite of Rachel. She could try
to team up with Sam who also appears to have no clear path to the end.

--
Brian

Rick

2024-11-15 03:39:57 UTC

Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Nightmare Fuel." There's a couple of
interesting sneak peek clips for this episode. In one, Sam, Sol,
Teeny, and Gen are discussing the last vote and how they can't
figure out Gabe. Gen's silence in this clip speaks volumes. She's
clearly taking in everything that's being said.
The other clip is of Andy and Rachel talking and bonding. Rachel's
social game is way better than I thought it was at the start of the season.

I found this to be a very chaotic episode. Was it really like that
or was the edit just misleading?

The edit was definitely confusing.

Post by Brian Smith
The full scene with Andy and Rachel at the start of the episode has
me thinking that Andy's more interested in blowing up games now
than he is in winning.

I agree. Andy's constant giddiness and self-absorbed reactions are
really off-putting. It's rare I dislike a player as much I dislike
Andy. I think he just wants camera time.

You might be right. He's had so many opportunities to recover from
his Day 3 (?) meltdown but he continually sabotages good alliance
opportunities presented to him.

Post by Brian Smith
Immunity Challenge
The twists involved with the IC tonight were complete bullshit as
far as I'm concerned. Having to pair up ahead of time without any
knowledge of what the challenge would be was nonsense. Why would
anyone expect the first four players (two teams) out to lose their
votes and then be given a chance to earn them back in a reverse
Jenga challenge?

Well I think that was the point. The game is about surprises and
luck, and of course no one would ever have guessed any of that. I
firmly believe that no matter how strategic and intelligent a game
you play, luck is the biggest single factor in determining who wins
the game.

Luck is definitely a huge factor in winning the game. I'm okay with
surprises as long as they don't have a huge impact on the game.
Throwing totally random crap into the mix isn't helping the game.

Post by Brian Smith
I thought Probst was a jerk when he didn't own that production
messed up by having a bag with a weak strap. That cost Andy and Sam
a chance to move on in the challenge. Jeff: "That's on you!" No
Jeff, that's on you.

I'm not sure about that. Was it actually due to a weak strap or was
it just the way they were pulling on the bag without clearing the
dirt around it first. Seemed to me the other teams dug a lot more
dirt out and then just pulled the whole bag out, whereas Andy and
Sam seemed to be trying to brute force pull the bag out by just the
strap.

They were using the brute force method but production should have
realized that was a possibility.

They probably did. The challenges are thoroughly tested by the Dream
Team, and I'm sure this came up as a possibility. It's also possible
that in the walk-through they do before the challenge they may have
alerted the team that you have to dig out all the dirt around the bag
before just pulling on it.
Remember, the challenges are carefully monitored by the show's legal
team to assure it conforms to game show rules for fairness. If the
bag tearing were really perceived as causing an unfair disadvantage to
that team, I'm sure they would have stopped the challenge, stopped the
cameras, re-buried the bag, and then resumed the challenge. In that
case, it wouldn't have even been shown.

Post by Brian Smith
Sue and Gen were both way too timid crossing the balance beam and I
think that cost one of them an immunity win. Kyle losing to his
partner Gabe at the end might have saved his ass this week.

Say what? If Kyle had not lost to Gabe, then Kyle would have won
the immunity.

Good point! Major brainfart on my part.

I was really annoyed they focused so much on the burping. Do the
producers really think anyone wants to see any of that stuff? The
only thing worse is when they show gagging/vomiting during gross
food challenges.

Jeff's trying to appeal to young viewers and must think they love
shit like that. I would have preferred more footage from TC showing
how they all got on the same page.

Not sure why Jeff would be trying to alienate his older audience.
Survivor has been a major ratings success throughout its existence.
For S46, I believe it was the top-rated entertainment show in all key
demographics. In contrast, BB, which has always appealed more to
younger audiences, has never gotten great ratings.

Post by Brian Smith
Targeting Before Tribal Council
From the time the four vote losers returned to camp until the end
of the episode, I was lost as to what might happen. Gen clearly
wanted to blindside Sol but there was so much confusion and other
names being thrown out that I had no idea what would happen at TC.

Same here. I was thoroughly confused and had no idea who was going home.

No, I think Sierra was just mad at Caroline for voting against her
the previous TC on both votes.

Didn't they all vote against her in the tiebreaker vote? Why take it
out on Caroline?

Yes, they all voted against her in the tie break. But I'm pretty sure
Caroline also voted against her in the first vote, which is what
forced the re-vote. And she probably is annoyed because she shared the
chocolate with her in the reward and thought she had bonded with her.

Post by Brian Smith
All of the back and forth whispering while Jeff was talking to them
was distracting. Gen's comment about it being important to know
when to change your plan based on whispering going on and when it's
just noise, was very on point. Caroline also realized it was just
noise. I had to laugh when Jeff said to her "but you could still be
voted out tonight" and she replied "don't throw that out there!"
Sol getting blindsided tonight didn't surprise me. This is after
the fact. Everyone voting to boot him did. How long did that TC
last? Based on what we were shown there's no way they all knew to
vote for Sol. Gen's comment "I fucking can't believe that worked
out" has me believing it was a long TC.

It has been established many times that TC always goes at least a
hour and sometimes two hours. In this case there was probably
considerably more side talking than we were shown - and yes, it
seems at the end that everyone knew to vote for Sol.
The interesting thing is that by leading the effort to get rid of
Sol, Gen reduced her old Lavo tribe to just two members (she and
Teeny) while Tuku kept its number at four. I was sure a Tuku would
go home tonight, either Sue or Kyle, which would have brought each
tribe to the same three members.

Targeting Sue at this point in the game made no sense to me. Did
anyone other than Sol take targeting her seriously? Kyle surviving
the night was a bit surprising to me. Gen must have really considered
Sol to be a threat.

I wouldn't say Kyle's under the radar. His name gets brought up all the
time. I think Gabe is being protected by Sue and Caroline. If his name
gets mentioned, Sue shoots it down right away.

Regarding Sue, the only thing I can think of is that perhaps they are
afraid if she makes it to the end, people will give her votes because
she made it so far without being an obvious threat. I wonder if
anyone knows her true age and is thinking she will reveal it at F3 if
she gets that far? I also wonder if they all know she is a pilot and
owns her own flight school?

Sue getting votes at the end would depend on her being able to sell the
jury a good story. I think she could that. She could be targeted now to
weaken Gabe and Caroline. Didn't someone last night say that Gabe and
Caroline would be lost without Sue? If she's seen as the ringleader she
very well might get votes at the end.
If anyone knows Sue's true age and that she's a pilot, etc. it would be
Caroline. I'd laugh if at the end of the game if we find out that Sue is
Caroline's aunt.

Yeah, that would be a big problem for the show if they had a
pre-existing relationship they kept from everyone. With the exception
of returning player or blood vs. water seasons, the premise of the show
is supposed to be a group of strangers meeting for the first time.
There have been a few cases where people had met casually before the
show or knew one another slightly, but nothing all that major.

Interestingly, there were two guys on Survivor NZ that, unbeknownst to
the producers and other players, were lifelong childhood friends, and
they kept it from everyone till the very end. They secretly helped one
another along the way, and it definitely affected how far they went.
One of them got all the way to F3. The one who didn't - possibly at the
urging of producers - finally told the other voted out players while at
Ponderosa, and the friendship was revealed at the F3 TC when jury
members asked questions about it. The one who got to F3 ended up with
zero votes, but I think it would have been a major scandal if he had won.

Perhaps not coincidentally, there have not been any further seasons of
NZ Survivor since.

Post by Brian Smith
Once again, Teeny lost an ally and someone she was close to in the
game.She was clearly upset at the end. She's also pissed tonight
that she's being attacked online.
If I hadn’t voted for SOL I would’ve been the singular person on
the outside of the vote. I learned the situation. There was no
difference to make. Read a textbook listen to a podcast get off me
d*** #survivor47
https://x.com/teenychill/status/1856889713275146385
Next Episode
Looks like Andy is ready to do some more backstabbing.
This was a strong episode for Gen. She's cutthroat to the core.
This might be her advantage over Caroline and Rachel.

Except that her tribe is now down to just her and Teeny, who's
clearly not that close with her. Rachel still has Sam and Caroline
is still tight with both Sue and Gabe. Who does that leave for Gen
- Andy?

Gen seems to have good relationships with most of the people left.
IIRC, she now knows that Sue and Caroline don't like Kyle so I can
see her targeting him next. Who does Kyle have left as an ally?
Probably no one as Gabe will side with Sue and Caroline over him.
Also, who does Teeny have left as a true ally? I'd like to see Andy
go next but it's really looking like he's going to make at least F6.

Teeny is a mystery to me. She keeps losing allies (going back to
Aysha) and I really wonder how long she can survive. She seems really
personable, but I'm just not clear on what her path forward might be.

Teeny seems very unlucky to me. Exact opposite of Rachel. She could try
to team up with Sam who also appears to have no clear path to the end.

Brian Smith

2024-11-15 05:24:10 UTC

Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Nightmare Fuel." There's a couple of
interesting sneak peek clips for this episode. In one, Sam, Sol,
Teeny, and Gen are discussing the last vote and how they can't
figure out Gabe. Gen's silence in this clip speaks volumes. She's
clearly taking in everything that's being said.
The other clip is of Andy and Rachel talking and bonding.
Rachel's social game is way better than I thought it was at the
start of the season.

I found this to be a very chaotic episode. Was it really like that
or was the edit just misleading?

The edit was definitely confusing.

Post by Brian Smith
The full scene with Andy and Rachel at the start of the episode
has me thinking that Andy's more interested in blowing up games
now than he is in winning.

I agree. Andy's constant giddiness and self-absorbed reactions are
really off-putting. It's rare I dislike a player as much I dislike
Andy. I think he just wants camera time.

You might be right. He's had so many opportunities to recover from
his Day 3 (?) meltdown but he continually sabotages good alliance
opportunities presented to him.

Post by Brian Smith
Immunity Challenge
The twists involved with the IC tonight were complete bullshit as
far as I'm concerned. Having to pair up ahead of time without any
knowledge of what the challenge would be was nonsense. Why would
anyone expect the first four players (two teams) out to lose their
votes and then be given a chance to earn them back in a reverse
Jenga challenge?

Well I think that was the point. The game is about surprises and
luck, and of course no one would ever have guessed any of that. I
firmly believe that no matter how strategic and intelligent a game
you play, luck is the biggest single factor in determining who wins
the game.

Luck is definitely a huge factor in winning the game. I'm okay with
surprises as long as they don't have a huge impact on the game.
Throwing totally random crap into the mix isn't helping the game.

Post by Brian Smith
I thought Probst was a jerk when he didn't own that production
messed up by having a bag with a weak strap. That cost Andy and
Sam a chance to move on in the challenge. Jeff: "That's on you!"
No Jeff, that's on you.

I'm not sure about that. Was it actually due to a weak strap or
was it just the way they were pulling on the bag without clearing
the dirt around it first. Seemed to me the other teams dug a lot
more dirt out and then just pulled the whole bag out, whereas Andy
and Sam seemed to be trying to brute force pull the bag out by just
the strap.

They were using the brute force method but production should have
realized that was a possibility.

They probably did. The challenges are thoroughly tested by the Dream
Team, and I'm sure this came up as a possibility. It's also possible
that in the walk-through they do before the challenge they may have
alerted the team that you have to dig out all the dirt around the bag
before just pulling on it.
Remember, the challenges are carefully monitored by the show's legal
team to assure it conforms to game show rules for fairness. If the
bag tearing were really perceived as causing an unfair disadvantage
to that team, I'm sure they would have stopped the challenge, stopped
the cameras, re-buried the bag, and then resumed the challenge. In
that case, it wouldn't have even been shown.

Post by Brian Smith
Sue and Gen were both way too timid crossing the balance beam and
I think that cost one of them an immunity win. Kyle losing to his
partner Gabe at the end might have saved his ass this week.

Say what? If Kyle had not lost to Gabe, then Kyle would have won
the immunity.

Good point! Major brainfart on my part.

I was really annoyed they focused so much on the burping. Do the
producers really think anyone wants to see any of that stuff? The
only thing worse is when they show gagging/vomiting during gross
food challenges.

Jeff's trying to appeal to young viewers and must think they love
shit like that. I would have preferred more footage from TC showing
how they all got on the same page.

Not sure why Jeff would be trying to alienate his older audience.
Survivor has been a major ratings success throughout its existence.
For S46, I believe it was the top-rated entertainment show in all key
demographics. In contrast, BB, which has always appealed more to
younger audiences, has never gotten great ratings.

I don't think Jeff is trying to alienate his older audience. He might
be taking them for granted assuming they will always be there. I think
he wants to expand the audience and ensure the next generation become
fans.

Post by Brian Smith
Targeting Before Tribal Council
From the time the four vote losers returned to camp until the end
of the episode, I was lost as to what might happen. Gen clearly
wanted to blindside Sol but there was so much confusion and other
names being thrown out that I had no idea what would happen at TC.

Same here. I was thoroughly confused and had no idea who was going home.

No, I think Sierra was just mad at Caroline for voting against her
the previous TC on both votes.

Didn't they all vote against her in the tiebreaker vote? Why take it
out on Caroline?

Yes, they all voted against her in the tie break. But I'm pretty
sure Caroline also voted against her in the first vote, which is what
forced the re-vote. And she probably is annoyed because she shared
the chocolate with her in the reward and thought she had bonded with
her.

Caroline did vote against her in the first vote but so did Gabe whom
she also shared her chocolate and peanut butter reward with. IIRC,
Caroline was trying to steer the focus off of her tribe onto Gata
before the IC. Did Sierra think choosing Caroline to share her food
item was enough to have Caroline risk her game?

Post by Brian Smith
All of the back and forth whispering while Jeff was talking to
them was distracting. Gen's comment about it being important to
know when to change your plan based on whispering going on and
when it's just noise, was very on point. Caroline also realized it
was just noise. I had to laugh when Jeff said to her "but you
could still be voted out tonight" and she replied "don't throw
that out there!"
Sol getting blindsided tonight didn't surprise me. This is after
the fact. Everyone voting to boot him did. How long did that TC
last? Based on what we were shown there's no way they all knew to
vote for Sol. Gen's comment "I fucking can't believe that worked
out" has me believing it was a long TC.

It has been established many times that TC always goes at least a
hour and sometimes two hours. In this case there was probably
considerably more side talking than we were shown - and yes, it
seems at the end that everyone knew to vote for Sol.
The interesting thing is that by leading the effort to get rid of
Sol, Gen reduced her old Lavo tribe to just two members (she and
Teeny) while Tuku kept its number at four. I was sure a Tuku would
go home tonight, either Sue or Kyle, which would have brought each
tribe to the same three members.

Targeting Sue at this point in the game made no sense to me. Did
anyone other than Sol take targeting her seriously? Kyle surviving
the night was a bit surprising to me. Gen must have really
considered Sol to be a threat.

I wouldn't say Kyle's under the radar. His name gets brought up all
the time. I think Gabe is being protected by Sue and Caroline. If his
name gets mentioned, Sue shoots it down right away.

Regarding Sue, the only thing I can think of is that perhaps they are
afraid if she makes it to the end, people will give her votes because
she made it so far without being an obvious threat. I wonder if
anyone knows her true age and is thinking she will reveal it at F3 if
she gets that far? I also wonder if they all know she is a pilot and
owns her own flight school?

Sue getting votes at the end would depend on her being able to sell
the jury a good story. I think she could that. She could be targeted
now to weaken Gabe and Caroline. Didn't someone last night say that
Gabe and Caroline would be lost without Sue? If she's seen as the
ringleader she very well might get votes at the end.
If anyone knows Sue's true age and that she's a pilot, etc. it would
be Caroline. I'd laugh if at the end of the game if we find out that
Sue is Caroline's aunt.

Yeah, that would be a big problem for the show if they had a pre-
existing relationship they kept from everyone. With the exception of
returning player or blood vs. water seasons, the premise of the show is
supposed to be a group of strangers meeting for the first time. There
have been a few cases where people had met casually before the show or
knew one another slightly, but nothing all that major.
Interestingly, there were two guys on Survivor NZ that, unbeknownst to
the producers and other players, were lifelong childhood friends, and
they kept it from everyone till the very end. They secretly helped one
another along the way, and it definitely affected how far they went. One
of them got all the way to F3. The one who didn't - possibly at the
urging of producers - finally told the other voted out players while at
Ponderosa, and the friendship was revealed at the F3 TC when jury
members asked questions about it. The one who got to F3 ended up with
zero votes, but I think it would have been a major scandal if he had won.
Perhaps not coincidentally, there have not been any further seasons of
NZ Survivor since.

The friend who didn't make it to the end was probably bragging to the
others thinking that they had pulled one over on the show. Do you know
if they got paid? It would be strange if the contract didn't have a
clause stating that they have to notify production if they know another
cast member. Casting should have discovered this when they were
searching through their SM, contacting friends, etc. Whoever controls
the licensing rights to the brand might have killed the NZ version
because of how they handled this.

--
Brian

shawn

2024-11-15 00:56:49 UTC

On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 21:06:30 -0700, Brian Smith

I hope she makes it far.

Post by Brian Smith
I found this to be a very chaotic episode. Was it really like that or
was the edit just misleading?

Yeah, that TC was something else.

Post by Brian Smith
The full scene with Andy and Rachel at the start of the episode has me
thinking that Andy's more interested in blowing up games now than he is
in winning.
Immunity Challenge
The twists involved with the IC tonight were complete bullshit as far as
I'm concerned. Having to pair up ahead of time without any knowledge of
what the challenge would be was nonsense. Why would anyone expect the
first four players (two teams) out to lose their votes and then be given
a chance to earn them back in a reverse Jenga challenge?

Though the players knew they were likely to end up going up against
their partner so they made the same sort of choices they might have
made if they knew the challenges they were going to face.

I disagree. They didn't dig out the bag enough so they were trying to
pull up the sand and the bag. With a little more work they could have
got the bag out without the strap breaking. Note no one else had that
issue.

I agree they were too timid but maybe they knew their sense of balance
wasn't good enough. I know I would be taking it slow because it's
better to be slow and make it in one pass than to have to try a few
times.

Post by Brian Smith
Journey
The reverse Jenga challenge was crazy. Not being in full control of
whether or not you get your vote back was stupid. At least Caroline
wasn't targeted because she lost her vote.
Reward Picnic
The four players who lasted the longest in the IC got to go on a picnic.
There was next to no game talk but we got a ton of burping from Gabe and
Sol. This past summer on BB26 it was farting.
Targeting Before Tribal Council
From the time the four vote losers returned to camp until the end of
the episode, I was lost as to what might happen. Gen clearly wanted to
blindside Sol but there was so much confusion and other names being
thrown out that I had no idea what would happen at TC.

It seems that they either didn't have enough time or just could not
come to an agreement. Yet look what actually happened at the TC.

Post by Brian Smith
Tribal Council
On a bit of a side note, Sierra looked like she was ready to kill. And
what was with the "Good!" when Jeff said to Caroline "So you've lost
your vote for tonight?" I don't recall those two having much interaction
with each other. Jealousy?
All of the back and forth whispering while Jeff was talking to them was
distracting. Gen's comment about it being important to know when to
change your plan based on whispering going on and when it's just noise,
was very on point. Caroline also realized it was just noise. I had to
laugh when Jeff said to her "but you could still be voted out tonight"
and she replied "don't throw that out there!"

I was left wondering if we were seeing an act play out where everyone
knew how they were voting when they sat down and just played their
part or if they truly didn't know how they were voting. In which case
I wonder why they ended up agreeing on Sol. I'm not against the choice
I'm just wondering why him over Kyle?

Post by Brian Smith
Sol getting blindsided tonight didn't surprise me. This is after the
fact. Everyone voting to boot him did. How long did that TC last? Based
on what we were shown there's no way they all knew to vote for Sol.
Gen's comment "I fucking can't believe that worked out" has me believing
it was a long TC.
Once again, Teeny lost an ally and someone she was close to in the
game.She was clearly upset at the end. She's also pissed tonight that
she's being attacked online.

Why would anyone attack her online? She's making a decision based on
what little info she had and what relationships she had.

Post by Brian Smith
If I hadn’t voted for SOL I would’ve been the singular person on the
outside of the vote. I learned the situation. There was no difference to
make. Read a textbook listen to a podcast get off me d*** #survivor47
https://x.com/teenychill/status/1856889713275146385
Next Episode
Looks like Andy is ready to do some more backstabbing.
This was a strong episode for Gen. She's cutthroat to the core. This
might be her advantage over Caroline and Rachel.

Brian Smith

2024-11-15 02:20:37 UTC

Post by shawn
On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 21:06:30 -0700, Brian Smith

I hope she makes it far.

I think she will but I don't think she'll win. In one of the secret
scenes for this episode she comments about how she's often been out of
the loop when it comes to votes. That's something you normally don't see
with winners. Gen, on the other hand, has been the driving force behind
a lot of the votes.

Post by Brian Smith
I found this to be a very chaotic episode. Was it really like that or
was the edit just misleading?

Yeah, that TC was something else.

Though the players knew they were likely to end up going up against
their partner so they made the same sort of choices they might have
made if they knew the challenges they were going to face.

That was definitely Sam and Kyle's logic.

You're right that no one else had that issue. Andy's been a complete
disaster in challenges so it's very possible he messed up again.

I know what you mean but once they got passed they should have stepped
it up and played it a bit less safe.

It seems that they either didn't have enough time or just could not
come to an agreement. Yet look what actually happened at the TC.

Probably a lack of time. My sense is that it was at least mid-afternoon
when the vote losers got back to camp which didn't leave much time for
plans to be formulated. Not knowing who could and couldn't vote made it
next impossible to have a set plan in place before they got back.

If they were all on the same page to begin with why bother with all of
the acting? I'm still lost as to why they chose Sol over Kyle. My guess
is that we weren't shown Gen selling more people on the idea. I also
think she wants Kyle around longer as a target and to help take out
Gabe, Sue, and Caroline. Now that she knows Sue and Caroline don't like
Kyle she can use that info to motivate him to go after them.

Why would anyone attack her online? She's making a decision based on
what little info she had and what relationships she had.

From what I can figure out, it sounds like some people think Teeny was
disloyal to Sol. They're ignoring it's a game and that Teeny is playing
to win.

--
Brian

Zeppo

2024-11-15 21:18:22 UTC