S47 Ep02 Spoilers and Comments (9/25/2024)

[Brian Smith]

Tonight's episode is titled "Epic Boss Girl Move."

More later...

[Zeppo]

Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Epic Boss Girl Move."
More later...

Some random thoughts on E02:

-I think that Rome’s decision to tell Anika about his immunity object was
due
to his compulsion to show off, rather than to gain her trust. His social play
is
bad beyond belief.

-Anika’s confessional in which she talked about all the men that she had
met
through dating apps, and how that experience has resulted in a finely tuned
ability to identify potentially “clingy toxic boyfriends” probably fell
under the
category of TMI.

-Andy’s (in)decision to put the “Beware Advantage” parchment back was
totally in character.

-I liked the challenge. There were a number of elements that we have seen
before, but with new wrinkles. However, Andy going all Norman Bates on the
rice bag was somewhat disturbing.

-What was the point of including Probst calling out Rachel about the rice in
the edit? It seemed bloody hypocritical given that he had allowed Liz to
essentially win a critical immunity challenge for Kenzie in S46.

-I felt the warm glow of nostalgia upon seeing Sue’s old school implants.
If
nothing else, they should keep her afloat.

-Gabe had a terrific tribal council. I liked his explanation of social vs.
strategic
relationships, and his ability to use humour to deflect the insinuation by
some
of his tribe mates that he was sneaky around camp.

-Caroline looked like a doofus when she appeared to be reluctant to accept
Gabe’s
offer to vote with her. What exactly was she planning to do at TC?

[Brian Smith]

Post by Zeppo

Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Epic Boss Girl Move."
More later...

-I think that Rome’s decision to tell Anika about his immunity object was
due
to his compulsion to show off, rather than to gain her trust. His social play
is
bad beyond belief.

Totally agree but I think he told Teeny who then told someone else
(Anika?). That sequence of events was pretty funny. When was the last
time we saw someone caught so red handed like Teeny was. It'll probably
end up not mattering because of stupid Rome is.

The scene on the beach where Rome claimed he could have been an NBA star
and a top rapper was one of the funniest and cringiest in years. NBA
star despite stopping to play in high school?

Post by Zeppo
-Anika’s confessional in which she talked about all the men that she had
met
through dating apps, and how that experience has resulted in a finely tuned
ability to identify potentially “clingy toxic boyfriends” probably fell
under the
category of TMI.

Many on this cast are giving me BB player vibes. It's like Jesse got
mixed up when he was casting the two shows.

Post by Zeppo
-Andy’s (in)decision to put the “Beware Advantage” parchment back was
totally in character.

I can't recall anyone in the past not opening a "Beware Advantage." That
should have been the end for him but he seems very lucky.

Post by Zeppo
-I liked the challenge. There were a number of elements that we have seen
before, but with new wrinkles. However, Andy going all Norman Bates on the
rice bag was somewhat disturbing.

Was Andy the one Jeff was yelling at "Watch your hands!" That was
disturbing. He does give off serial killer vibes.

Post by Zeppo
-What was the point of including Probst calling out Rachel about the rice in
the edit? It seemed bloody hypocritical given that he had allowed Liz to
essentially win a critical immunity challenge for Kenzie in S46.

Mike Bloom had a great tweet about this last night.

In 2003, Rupert stole the opposing tribe's shoes and sold them. It was
voted the next season as the greatest moment in #Survivor history

Over 20 years later, Jeff narcs on Rachel and makes her dump out the
rice she pocketed during the challenge.

https://x.com/AMikeBloomType/status/1839107908807565377

Unless there was a rule stating you couldn't take some of the rice
(pretty sure there wasn't), Jeff should have congratulated Rachel for
being ingenious.

Post by Zeppo
-I felt the warm glow of nostalgia upon seeing Sue’s old school implants.
If
nothing else, they should keep her afloat.

I was worried for a minute your girl might get the boot. TK, who I
thought was in a great spot, turned out to be Survivor stupid. Did he
expect his tribe to turn into clones of himself?

Post by Zeppo
-Gabe had a terrific tribal council. I liked his explanation of social vs.
strategic
relationships, and his ability to use humour to deflect the insinuation by
some
of his tribe mates that he was sneaky around camp.

Before TC, I didn't think too highly of him.

Post by Zeppo
-Caroline looked like a doofus when she appeared to be reluctant to accept
Gabe’s
offer to vote with her. What exactly was she planning to do at TC?

Until he showed her his HHI, I think she planned on voting him out.

I enjoyed this episode. I was highly entertained watching some pretty
bad gameplay. Does anyone standout to you as being a really good player?
Kyle did for a while for me but he looked like he was in shock after TK
was blindsided. He could be next unless he makes a quick recovery.

[Zeppo]

Post by Brian Smith
Totally agree but I think he told Teeny who then told someone else
(Anika?).

You’re right. I mixed up their names. Anika is the South Asian
woman on Yellow Tribe who is an authority on clingy toxic
boyfriends, and Teeny is the chatty woman on Red Tribe
who Rome foolishly told about his advantage. Teeny, in turn,
told that emergency room doctor about it.

Post by Brian Smith
That sequence of events was pretty funny. When was the last
time we saw someone caught so red handed like Teeny was.

I suspect that Rome saw Teeny and Doctor leaving camp with
a camera operator in tow, and followed them. He certainly didn’t
seem surprised when he caught them hovering over the
advantage box.

Post by Brian Smith
I can't recall anyone in the past not opening a "Beware Advantage." That
should have been the end for him but he seems very lucky.

My first thought was that Andy should have moved the Beware parchment
to a different location while he was pondering whether or not to open it.
However, upon further consideration, I realized that if he had tried to do
so the camera operator would have probably told him that it was against
the rules.

Post by Brian Smith
Was Andy the one Jeff was yelling at "Watch your hands!"

Yes!

Post by Brian Smith
Over 20 years later, Jeff narcs on Rachel and makes her dump out the
rice she pocketed during the challenge.

I don’t understand why it was included in the edit. What did it have
to do with Rachel’s game story? Telling her to empty her pockets
was cruel and unnecessary IMO. Probst could have taken her aside
and dealt with it privately.
Also, I doubt very much that Probst saw her pocketing the rice as he
claimed. It was more likely that one of the on-site crew told him about
it.

[Brian Smith]

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Post by Brian Smith
Totally agree but I think he told Teeny who then told someone else
(Anika?).

You’re right. I mixed up their names. Anika is the South Asian
woman on Yellow Tribe who is an authority on clingy toxic
boyfriends, and Teeny is the chatty woman on Red Tribe
who Rome foolishly told about his advantage. Teeny, in turn,
told that emergency room doctor about it.

You just reminded me of another funny Rome moment. The scene where they
were trying to start a fire and he claimed his record is 16 seconds. Of
course he couldn't start one at camp but the ER doc did on his first try.

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Post by Brian Smith
That sequence of events was pretty funny. When was the last
time we saw someone caught so red handed like Teeny was.

I suspect that Rome saw Teeny and Doctor leaving camp with
a camera operator in tow, and followed them. He certainly didn’t
seem surprised when he caught them hovering over the
advantage box.

That must happen more than we've been shown in the past. Hurray for 90
minute episodes!

Post by Zeppo

Post by Brian Smith
Over 20 years later, Jeff narcs on Rachel and makes her dump out the
rice she pocketed during the challenge.

I don’t understand why it was included in the edit. What did it have
to do with Rachel’s game story? Telling her to empty her pockets
was cruel and unnecessary IMO. Probst could have taken her aside
and dealt with it privately.

It could be foreshadowing.

Post by Zeppo
Also, I doubt very much that Probst saw her pocketing the rice as he
claimed. It was more likely that one of the on-site crew told him about
it.

During the IC did you catch the nice closeup the cameraman got of Rachel
dropping rice into her pocket? I was expecting her to get a confessional
out of the act that made her look like a smart resourceful player. I
hope Probst's ratting her out isn't used by the others as an excuse to
vote her out.

[Zeppo]

Post by Brian Smith
During the IC did you catch the nice closeup the cameraman got of Rachel
dropping rice into her pocket? I was expecting her to get a confessional
out of the act that made her look like a smart resourceful player. I
hope Probst's ratting her out isn't used by the others as an excuse to
vote her out.

I would have loved to have seen Rachel hold her ground with Probst in
front of all the players and crew, and refuse to empty her pockets. I reckon
that most of the viewers would have been cheering her on. Probst would not
have been able to do a damn thing about it either.
But, of course, if such a thing had actually occurred, it most certainly
would
have not been included in the edit.

[Rick]

Post by Zeppo

Post by Brian Smith
During the IC did you catch the nice closeup the cameraman got of Rachel
dropping rice into her pocket? I was expecting her to get a confessional
out of the act that made her look like a smart resourceful player. I
hope Probst's ratting her out isn't used by the others as an excuse to
vote her out.

I would have loved to have seen Rachel hold her ground with Probst in
front of all the players and crew, and refuse to empty her pockets. I reckon
that most of the viewers would have been cheering her on. Probst would not
have been able to do a damn thing about it either.
But, of course, if such a thing had actually occurred, it most certainly
would
have not been included in the edit.

I've thought about this some more and I realize that, like everything
else on the show, it's either explicitly against the rules or it's not.
All of the challenges are written up in advance (game show requirement)
and they spend several minutes going over the challenges in detail to
make sure everyone understands what's involved. Players are encouraged
to ask questions and, by all accounts, they do so. If taking the rice
is against the rules, it should have been explained or someone should
have asked about it. I know if I'm hungry and they are showing me a
challenge that involves tearing into a bag of rice, I'm gonna ask if we
can take some rice.

So after further reflection, I kind of think there's a decent chance
Rachel knew it was against the rules and that she would get caught. I
think maybe she was either hoping Jeff would ignore the rules and give
her credit for showing initiative, or she just wanted to have a little
TV moment.

[Brian Smith]

Post by Rick

Post by Zeppo

Post by Brian Smith
During the IC did you catch the nice closeup the cameraman got of Rachel
dropping rice into her pocket? I was expecting her to get a confessional
out of the act that made her look like a smart resourceful player. I
hope Probst's ratting her out isn't used by the others as an excuse to
vote her out.

I would have loved to have seen Rachel hold her ground with Probst in
front of all the players and crew, and refuse to empty her pockets. I reckon
that most of the viewers would have been cheering her on. Probst would not
have been able to do a damn thing about it either.
But, of course, if such a thing had actually occurred, it most certainly
would
have not been included in the edit.

I've thought about this some more and I realize that, like everything
else on the show, it's either explicitly against the rules or it's not.
All of the challenges are written up in advance (game show requirement)
and they spend several minutes going over the challenges in detail to
make sure everyone understands what's involved.  Players are encouraged
to ask questions and, by all accounts, they do so.  If taking the rice
is against the rules, it should have been explained or someone should
have asked about it.  I know if I'm hungry and they are showing me a
challenge that involves tearing into a bag of rice, I'm gonna ask if we
can take some rice.
So after further reflection, I kind of think there's a decent chance
Rachel knew it was against the rules and that she would get caught.  I
think maybe she was either hoping Jeff would ignore the rules and give
her credit for showing initiative, or she just wanted to have a little
TV moment.

Has anyone asked Jeff about this or Rachel?

They should have done a combined RC/IC where the rice was the reward.

[Rick]

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Post by Brian Smith
During the IC did you catch the nice closeup the cameraman got of Rachel
dropping rice into her pocket? I was expecting her to get a
confessional
out of the act that made her look like a smart resourceful player. I
hope Probst's ratting her out isn't used by the others as an excuse to
vote her out.

I would have loved to have seen Rachel hold her ground with Probst in
front of all the players and crew, and refuse to empty her pockets. I reckon
that most of the viewers would have been cheering her on. Probst would not
have been able to do a damn thing about it either.
But, of course, if such a thing had actually occurred, it most certainly
would
have not been included in the edit.

I've thought about this some more and I realize that, like everything
else on the show, it's either explicitly against the rules or it's
not. All of the challenges are written up in advance (game show
requirement) and they spend several minutes going over the challenges
in detail to make sure everyone understands what's involved.  Players
are encouraged to ask questions and, by all accounts, they do so.  If
taking the rice is against the rules, it should have been explained or
someone should have asked about it.  I know if I'm hungry and they are
showing me a challenge that involves tearing into a bag of rice, I'm
gonna ask if we can take some rice.
So after further reflection, I kind of think there's a decent chance
Rachel knew it was against the rules and that she would get caught.  I
think maybe she was either hoping Jeff would ignore the rules and give
her credit for showing initiative, or she just wanted to have a little
TV moment.

Has anyone asked Jeff about this or Rachel?
They should have done a combined RC/IC where the rice was the reward.

I don't listen to Jeff's On Fire podcast, but that would have been the
right place to address it.

[Zeppo]

Post by Brian Smith
Until he showed her his HHI, I think she planned on voting him out.

Wow! Talk about being “out of the loop”. Gabe might end up regretting
his decision to initiate a strategic alliance with her. But, having an
immunity
bracelet that is good for two more tribal councils, he can afford to make a
mistake or two before the merge.

Post by Brian Smith
Does anyone standout to you as being a really good player?

IMO, Sam and Gabe have been given the best edits so far, but there are still
several players (especially on Red Tribe) who have received very little face
time.

Post by Brian Smith
Kyle did for a while for me but he looked like he was in shock after TK
was blindsided. He could be next unless he makes a quick recovery.

Yes, he was completely stunned by the turn of events at TC, and I don’t
blame him. Voting for TK was a bold and unexpected move by the
flight attendant.

[Brian Smith]

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Until he showed her his HHI, I think she planned on voting him out.

Wow! Talk about being “out of the loop”. Gabe might end up regretting
his decision to initiate a strategic alliance with her. But, having an
immunity
bracelet that is good for two more tribal councils, he can afford to make a
mistake or two before the merge.

I thought Gabe played his idol at TC? I also believe he never upgraded
it which is probably why h played it.

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Post by Brian Smith
Does anyone standout to you as being a really good player?

IMO, Sam and Gabe have been given the best edits so far, but there are still
several players (especially on Red Tribe) who have received very little face
time.

Sam's very confident. Then again, so was TK.

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Post by Brian Smith
Kyle did for a while for me but he looked like he was in shock after TK
was blindsided. He could be next unless he makes a quick recovery.

Yes, he was completely stunned by the turn of events at TC, and I don’t
blame him. Voting for TK was a bold and unexpected move by the
flight attendant.

I think she had no choice. TK wanted total control and she wasn't buying
his bullshit.

[Rick]

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Until he showed her his HHI, I think she planned on voting him out.

Wow! Talk about being “out of the loop”. Gabe might end up regretting
his decision to initiate a strategic alliance with her. But, having an
immunity
bracelet that is good for two more tribal councils, he can afford to make a
mistake or two before the merge.

I thought Gabe played his idol at TC? I also believe he never upgraded
it which is probably why h played it.

Pretty sure Gabe's idol was good for three councils, and yes, he did
play it. Apparently, he was worried about a 3-3 tie and going to rocks,
even though he had said he would go to rocks if needed. I was sure when
he played it, he was going to play it on Sue, but I guess he didn't want
to reveal that he wanted to keep her in the game.

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Does anyone standout to you as being a really good player?

IMO, Sam and Gabe have been given the best edits so far, but there are still
several players (especially on Red Tribe) who have received very little face
time.

Sam's very confident. Then again, so was TK.

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Post by Brian Smith
Kyle did for a while for me but he looked like he was in shock after TK
was blindsided. He could be next unless he makes a quick recovery.

Yes, he was completely stunned by the turn of events at TC, and I don’t
blame him. Voting for TK was a bold and unexpected move by the
flight attendant.

I think she had no choice. TK wanted total control and she wasn't buying
his bullshit.

[Brian Smith]

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Until he showed her his HHI, I think she planned on voting him out.

Wow! Talk about being “out of the loop”. Gabe might end up regretting
his decision to initiate a strategic alliance with her. But, having an
immunity
bracelet that is good for two more tribal councils, he can afford to make a
mistake or two before the merge.

I thought Gabe played his idol at TC? I also believe he never upgraded
it which is probably why h played it.

Pretty sure Gabe's idol was good for three councils, and yes, he did
play it.  Apparently, he was worried about a 3-3 tie and going to rocks,
even though he had said he would go to rocks if needed.  I was sure when
he played it, he was going to play it on Sue, but I guess he didn't want
to reveal that he wanted to keep her in the game.

Interesting. Did he not trust Caroline to vote with him? I could see him
not fully trusting her given her initial reaction to working with him.

[Rick]

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Until he showed her his HHI, I think she planned on voting him out.

Wow! Talk about being “out of the loop”. Gabe might end up regretting
his decision to initiate a strategic alliance with her. But, having an
immunity
bracelet that is good for two more tribal councils, he can afford to make a
mistake or two before the merge.

I thought Gabe played his idol at TC? I also believe he never
upgraded it which is probably why h played it.

Pretty sure Gabe's idol was good for three councils, and yes, he did
play it.  Apparently, he was worried about a 3-3 tie and going to
rocks, even though he had said he would go to rocks if needed.  I was
sure when he played it, he was going to play it on Sue, but I guess he
didn't want to reveal that he wanted to keep her in the game.

Interesting. Did he not trust Caroline to vote with him? I could see him
not fully trusting her given her initial reaction to working with him.

I think it was Tiyana he was unsure about. If she stayed with TK and
Kyle, it's a tie and then if they hold firm and go to rocks, he has a
one in four chance of going home. I think that must be why he played
the idol, even though he had said he was willing to go to rocks.

[Zeppo]

I think it was Tiyana he was unsure about. If she stayed with TK and
Kyle, it's a tie and then if they hold firm and go to rocks, he has a
one in four chance of going home. I think that must be why he played
the idol, even though he had said he was willing to go to rocks.

I agree! It was a smart move on his part, and he still has
Immunity for two more tribal councils.

[Rick]

Post by Zeppo

I think it was Tiyana he was unsure about. If she stayed with TK and
Kyle, it's a tie and then if they hold firm and go to rocks, he has a
one in four chance of going home. I think that must be why he played
the idol, even though he had said he was willing to go to rocks.

I agree! It was a smart move on his part, and he still has
Immunity for two more tribal councils.

Well, not playing the idol would have been the smart move, but he did
play it, which means we will likely see him out on the island next
episode looking for it again.

[Zeppo]

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I think it was Tiyana he was unsure about. If she stayed with TK and
Kyle, it's a tie and then if they hold firm and go to rocks, he has a
one in four chance of going home. I think that must be why he played
the idol, even though he had said he was willing to go to rocks.

I agree! It was a smart move on his part, and he still has
Immunity for two more tribal councils.

Well, not playing the idol would have been the smart move, but he did
play it, which means we will likely see him out on the island next
episode looking for it again.

I think that, given the context, playing the idol was the intelligent
move. If Tiyana had stayed loyal to TK and Kyle forcing a tie, and
Gabe left the game with three immunity advantages in his pocket,
he would be mocked for years for his stupidity.

[Brian Smith]

Post by Zeppo

I think it was Tiyana he was unsure about. If she stayed with TK and
Kyle, it's a tie and then if they hold firm and go to rocks, he has a
one in four chance of going home. I think that must be why he played
the idol, even though he had said he was willing to go to rocks.

I agree! It was a smart move on his part, and he still has
Immunity for two more tribal councils.

How does he still have immunity if he played idol? I think he had three
TCs in which to use it.

[Zeppo]

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I think it was Tiyana he was unsure about. If she stayed with TK and
Kyle, it's a tie and then if they hold firm and go to rocks, he has a
one in four chance of going home. I think that must be why he played
the idol, even though he had said he was willing to go to rocks.

I agree! It was a smart move on his part, and he still has
Immunity for two more tribal councils.

How does he still have immunity if he played idol? I think he had three
TCs in which to use it.

From the Beware Advantage parchment that Gabe read:
“Your willingness to risk has paid off.
You now have an immunity idol good for THREE tribal
councils and your ability to participate in the vote is once
again restored.”

FWIW, Gabe had the opportunity to put the “three TC immunity
amulet” back in the box, and go for one that would have given him
Immunity at every TC up until F5. He passed.

[Zeppo]

Post by Brian Smith
I thought Gabe played his idol at TC? I also believe he never upgraded
it which is probably why h played it.

No, Gabe found the second key in some piece of driftwood on the beach,
and was therefore able to release the amulet with the additional powers.

[Brian Smith]

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I thought Gabe played his idol at TC? I also believe he never upgraded
it which is probably why h played it.

No, Gabe found the second key in some piece of driftwood on the beach,
and was therefore able to release the amulet with the additional powers.

I remember now. The loud banging that T and someone else could hear from
camp.

[Zeppo]

Post by Brian Smith
I think she had no choice. TK wanted total control and she wasn't buying
his bullshit.

There was something that I thought was a little hinky leading up
to tribal council. Flight attendant thought that the three guys were
going to vote for Sue, and that she would be their fourth. She didn’t
know that Gabe was actually going to be voting with Sue and
Caroline. So when Flight Attendant listened to Sue’s proposal
to vote for TK along with her and Caroline, she thought that Sue
was pitching a 3-3 vote (guys vs. girls). It seems a little hard to
believe that Flight Attendant would agree to this unless she had
some indication that Gabe would switch on the re-vote. I can’t see
her participating in any plan that might lead to a “rock pull”.

[Brian Smith]

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I think she had no choice. TK wanted total control and she wasn't buying
his bullshit.

There was something that I thought was a little hinky leading up
to tribal council. Flight attendant thought that the three guys were
going to vote for Sue, and that she would be their fourth. She didn’t
know that Gabe was actually going to be voting with Sue and
Caroline. So when Flight Attendant listened to Sue’s proposal
to vote for TK along with her and Caroline, she thought that Sue
was pitching a 3-3 vote (guys vs. girls). It seems a little hard to
believe that Flight Attendant would agree to this unless she had
some indication that Gabe would switch on the re-vote. I can’t see
her participating in any plan that might lead to a “rock pull”.

Did T not know before TC that Gabe was voting with the girls? Unless I'm
missing something, the vote went down the way she thought it would. Gabe
either didn't trust her and/or Caroline so he played his idol.

[Rick]

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Tonight's episode is titled "Epic Boss Girl Move."
More later...

-I think that Rome’s decision to tell Anika about his immunity object was
due
to his compulsion to show off, rather than to gain her trust. His social play
is
bad beyond belief.

Totally agree but I think he told Teeny who then told someone else
(Anika?). That sequence of events was pretty funny. When was the last
time we saw someone caught so red handed like Teeny was. It'll probably
end up not mattering because of stupid Rome is.
The scene on the beach where Rome claimed he could have been an NBA star
and a top rapper was one of the funniest and cringiest in years. NBA
star despite stopping to play in high school?

Post by Zeppo
-Anika’s confessional in which she talked about all the men that she had
met
through dating apps, and how that experience has resulted in a finely tuned
ability to identify potentially “clingy toxic boyfriends” probably fell
under the
category of TMI.

Many on this cast are giving me BB player vibes. It's like Jesse got
mixed up when he was casting the two shows.

Post by Zeppo
-Andy’s (in)decision to put the “Beware Advantage” parchment back was
totally in character.

I can't recall anyone in the past not opening a "Beware Advantage." That
should have been the end for him but he seems very lucky.

Post by Zeppo
-I liked the challenge. There were a number of elements that we have seen
before, but with new wrinkles. However, Andy going all Norman Bates on the
rice bag was somewhat disturbing.

Was Andy the one Jeff was yelling at "Watch your hands!" That was
disturbing. He does give off serial killer vibes.

Post by Zeppo
-What was the point of including Probst calling out Rachel about the rice in
the edit? It seemed bloody hypocritical given that he had allowed Liz to
essentially win a critical immunity challenge for Kenzie in S46.

Mike Bloom had a great tweet about this last night.
In 2003, Rupert stole the opposing tribe's shoes and sold them. It was
voted the next season as the greatest moment in #Survivor history
Over 20 years later, Jeff narcs on Rachel and makes her dump out the
rice she pocketed during the challenge.
https://x.com/AMikeBloomType/status/1839107908807565377
Unless there was a rule stating you couldn't take some of the rice
(pretty sure there wasn't), Jeff should have congratulated Rachel for
being ingenious.

I think everyone is missing an important point here. Why use rice in
the challenge? Why not and or something non-edible? I think the show
was clearly hoping someone would do exactly what Rachel did and was on
the watch for it.

As to why this would be against the rules and Rupert's stealing of the
shoes wasn't - it's because a theme of the quote modern era (I do hate
that phrase!) is that the players get no food, and this goes against
that. But I do think the players were basically set up to do this and
Rachel fell for it.

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-I felt the warm glow of nostalgia upon seeing Sue’s old school implants.
If
nothing else, they should keep her afloat.

I was worried for a minute your girl might get the boot. TK, who I
thought was in a great spot, turned out to be Survivor stupid. Did he
expect his tribe to turn into clones of himself?

Post by Zeppo
-Gabe had a terrific tribal council. I liked his explanation of social vs.
strategic
relationships, and his ability to use humour to deflect the
insinuation by
some
of his tribe mates that he was sneaky around camp.

Before TC, I didn't think too highly of him.

Post by Zeppo
-Caroline looked like a doofus when she appeared to be reluctant to accept
Gabe’s
offer to vote with her. What exactly was she planning to do at TC?

Until he showed her his HHI, I think she planned on voting him out.
I enjoyed this episode. I was highly entertained watching some pretty
bad gameplay. Does anyone standout to you as being a really good player?
Kyle did for a while for me but he looked like he was in shock after TK
was blindsided. He could be next unless he makes a quick recovery.

[Rick]

Post by Brian Smith

Post by Zeppo

Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Epic Boss Girl Move."
More later...

-I think that Rome’s decision to tell Anika about his immunity object was
due
to his compulsion to show off, rather than to gain her trust. His social play
is
bad beyond belief.

Totally agree but I think he told Teeny who then told someone else
(Anika?). That sequence of events was pretty funny. When was the last
time we saw someone caught so red handed like Teeny was. It'll
probably end up not mattering because of stupid Rome is.
The scene on the beach where Rome claimed he could have been an NBA
star and a top rapper was one of the funniest and cringiest in years.
NBA star despite stopping to play in high school?

Post by Zeppo
-Anika’s confessional in which she talked about all the men that she had
met
through dating apps, and how that experience has resulted in a finely tuned
ability to identify potentially “clingy toxic boyfriends” probably fell
under the
category of TMI.

Many on this cast are giving me BB player vibes. It's like Jesse got
mixed up when he was casting the two shows.

Post by Zeppo
-Andy’s (in)decision to put the “Beware Advantage” parchment back was
totally in character.

I can't recall anyone in the past not opening a "Beware Advantage."
That should have been the end for him but he seems very lucky.

Post by Zeppo
-I liked the challenge. There were a number of elements that we have seen
before, but with new wrinkles. However, Andy going all Norman Bates on the
rice bag was somewhat disturbing.

Was Andy the one Jeff was yelling at "Watch your hands!" That was
disturbing. He does give off serial killer vibes.

Post by Zeppo
-What was the point of including Probst calling out Rachel about the rice in
the edit? It seemed bloody hypocritical given that he had allowed Liz to
essentially win a critical immunity challenge for Kenzie in S46.

Mike Bloom had a great tweet about this last night.
In 2003, Rupert stole the opposing tribe's shoes and sold them. It was
voted the next season as the greatest moment in #Survivor history
Over 20 years later, Jeff narcs on Rachel and makes her dump out the
rice she pocketed during the challenge.
https://x.com/AMikeBloomType/status/1839107908807565377
Unless there was a rule stating you couldn't take some of the rice
(pretty sure there wasn't), Jeff should have congratulated Rachel for
being ingenious.

I think everyone is missing an important point here.  Why use rice in
the challenge?  Why not and or something non-edible?  I think the show
was clearly hoping someone would do exactly what Rachel did and was on
the watch for it.
As to why this would be against the rules and Rupert's stealing of the
shoes wasn't - it's because a theme of the quote modern era (I do hate
that phrase!) is that the players get no food, and this goes against
that.  But I do think the players were basically set up to do this and
Rachel fell for it.

In thinking about this some more, I kind of wish Rachel had just stood
up to Jeff and said "No, I am not emptying out my pockets. The premise
of the show is that we find food on the island wherever we can, and
nothing in the rules for this challenge says you can't pocket some rice.
If you want the rice back, you're going to have to physically take it
from me."

Course it would probably never get to that, but I seriously wonder what
would have happened if she had just refused to get rid of the rice. I'm
also making the assumption that there was nothing in the rules for the
challenge that said you couldn't take the rice. It could be that they
explicitly said you couldn't grab the rice and she blatantly broke the
rules. If that's the case, I wish they had said that.

Post by Brian Smith

Post by Zeppo
-I felt the warm glow of nostalgia upon seeing Sue’s old school implants.
If
nothing else, they should keep her afloat.

I was worried for a minute your girl might get the boot. TK, who I
thought was in a great spot, turned out to be Survivor stupid. Did he
expect his tribe to turn into clones of himself?

Post by Zeppo
-Gabe had a terrific tribal council. I liked his explanation of social vs.
strategic
relationships, and his ability to use humour to deflect the
insinuation by
some
of his tribe mates that he was sneaky around camp.

Before TC, I didn't think too highly of him.

Post by Zeppo
-Caroline looked like a doofus when she appeared to be reluctant to accept
Gabe’s
offer to vote with her. What exactly was she planning to do at TC?

Until he showed her his HHI, I think she planned on voting him out.
I enjoyed this episode. I was highly entertained watching some pretty
bad gameplay. Does anyone standout to you as being a really good
player? Kyle did for a while for me but he looked like he was in shock
after TK was blindsided. He could be next unless he makes a quick
recovery.

[Zeppo]

Post by Rick
In thinking about this some more, I kind of wish Rachel had just stood
up to Jeff and said "No, I am not emptying out my pockets. The premise
of the show is that we find food on the island wherever we can, and
nothing in the rules for this challenge says you can't pocket some rice.
If you want the rice back, you're going to have to physically take it
from me."
Course it would probably never get to that, but I seriously wonder what
would have happened if she had just refused to get rid of the rice.

Ha Ha! I said almost exactly the same thing down thread before I’d read
this post.
In my own post, I speculated that, if such a turn of events, had actually
occurred, it would have ended up “on the editing room floor”. IMO,
there Is no way that a scene involving Chief Jeff being taken to task by
any of the players would be shown to the viewing audience. Just
like we didn’t see Danny McCray reaming out Probst at the S41E07
tribal council. On Survivor it’s OK to humiliate the players, just not
the host.

[Brian Smith]

Post by Zeppo

Post by Rick
In thinking about this some more, I kind of wish Rachel had just stood
up to Jeff and said "No, I am not emptying out my pockets. The premise
of the show is that we find food on the island wherever we can, and
nothing in the rules for this challenge says you can't pocket some rice.
If you want the rice back, you're going to have to physically take it
from me."
Course it would probably never get to that, but I seriously wonder what
would have happened if she had just refused to get rid of the rice.

Ha Ha! I said almost exactly the same thing down thread before I’d read
this post.
In my own post, I speculated that, if such a turn of events, had actually
occurred, it would have ended up “on the editing room floor”. IMO,
there Is no way that a scene involving Chief Jeff being taken to task by
any of the players would be shown to the viewing audience. Just
like we didn’t see Danny McCray reaming out Probst at the S41E07
tribal council. On Survivor it’s OK to humiliate the players, just not
the host.

Danny getting pissed off about the hourglass crap must have caught the
attention of at least one Paramount exec because he ended up being asked
to do The Challenge USA 1 which he co-won along with Sarah Larcina.

[Brian Smith]

Post by Brian Smith

Post by Zeppo

Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Epic Boss Girl Move."
More later...

-I think that Rome’s decision to tell Anika about his immunity object was
due
to his compulsion to show off, rather than to gain her trust. His social play
is
bad beyond belief.

Totally agree but I think he told Teeny who then told someone else
(Anika?). That sequence of events was pretty funny. When was the last
time we saw someone caught so red handed like Teeny was. It'll
probably end up not mattering because of stupid Rome is.
The scene on the beach where Rome claimed he could have been an NBA
star and a top rapper was one of the funniest and cringiest in years.
NBA star despite stopping to play in high school?

Post by Zeppo
-Anika’s confessional in which she talked about all the men that she had
met
through dating apps, and how that experience has resulted in a finely tuned
ability to identify potentially “clingy toxic boyfriends” probably fell
under the
category of TMI.

Many on this cast are giving me BB player vibes. It's like Jesse got
mixed up when he was casting the two shows.

Post by Zeppo
-Andy’s (in)decision to put the “Beware Advantage” parchment back was
totally in character.

I can't recall anyone in the past not opening a "Beware Advantage."
That should have been the end for him but he seems very lucky.

Post by Zeppo
-I liked the challenge. There were a number of elements that we have seen
before, but with new wrinkles. However, Andy going all Norman Bates on the
rice bag was somewhat disturbing.

Was Andy the one Jeff was yelling at "Watch your hands!" That was
disturbing. He does give off serial killer vibes.

Post by Zeppo
-What was the point of including Probst calling out Rachel about the rice in
the edit? It seemed bloody hypocritical given that he had allowed Liz to
essentially win a critical immunity challenge for Kenzie in S46.

Mike Bloom had a great tweet about this last night.
In 2003, Rupert stole the opposing tribe's shoes and sold them. It was
voted the next season as the greatest moment in #Survivor history
Over 20 years later, Jeff narcs on Rachel and makes her dump out the
rice she pocketed during the challenge.
https://x.com/AMikeBloomType/status/1839107908807565377
Unless there was a rule stating you couldn't take some of the rice
(pretty sure there wasn't), Jeff should have congratulated Rachel for
being ingenious.

I think everyone is missing an important point here.  Why use rice in
the challenge?  Why not and or something non-edible?  I think the show
was clearly hoping someone would do exactly what Rachel did and was on
the watch for it.

Watching the episode I did think it was strange they were using rice. If
the show wanted someone to try and take some of the rice why punish them
for doing so? Jeff should have kept quiet or praised Rachel for putting
in the extra.

As to why this would be against the rules and Rupert's stealing of the
shoes wasn't - it's because a theme of the quote modern era (I do hate
that phrase!) is that the players get no food, and this goes against
that.  But I do think the players were basically set up to do this and
Rachel fell for it.

If that's the case, then why give out fishing gear as rewards?

[Zeppo]

I think everyone is missing an important point here. Why use rice in
the challenge? Why not and or something non-edible? I think the show
was clearly hoping someone would do exactly what Rachel did and was on
the watch for it.
As to why this would be against the rules and Rupert's stealing of the
shoes wasn't - it's because a theme of the quote modern era (I do hate
that phrase!) is that the players get no food, and this goes against
that. But I do think the players were basically set up to do this and
Rachel fell for it.

But why? What did it add to the episode? Was Rachel’s humiliation in
front of the cast and crew supposed to be entertaining?

[Brian Smith]

Post by Zeppo

I think everyone is missing an important point here. Why use rice in
the challenge? Why not and or something non-edible? I think the show
was clearly hoping someone would do exactly what Rachel did and was on
the watch for it.
As to why this would be against the rules and Rupert's stealing of the
shoes wasn't - it's because a theme of the quote modern era (I do hate
that phrase!) is that the players get no food, and this goes against
that. But I do think the players were basically set up to do this and
Rachel fell for it.

But why? What did it add to the episode? Was Rachel’s humiliation in
front of the cast and crew supposed to be entertaining?

For Jeff it probably was.

[Rick]

Post by Brian Smith

Post by Zeppo

Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Epic Boss Girl Move."
More later...

-I think that Rome’s decision to tell Anika about his immunity object was
due
to his compulsion to show off, rather than to gain her trust. His social play
is
bad beyond belief.

Totally agree but I think he told Teeny who then told someone else
(Anika?). That sequence of events was pretty funny. When was the last
time we saw someone caught so red handed like Teeny was. It'll probably
end up not mattering because of stupid Rome is.
The scene on the beach where Rome claimed he could have been an NBA star
and a top rapper was one of the funniest and cringiest in years. NBA
star despite stopping to play in high school?

Post by Zeppo
-Anika’s confessional in which she talked about all the men that she had
met
through dating apps, and how that experience has resulted in a finely tuned
ability to identify potentially “clingy toxic boyfriends” probably fell
under the
category of TMI.

Many on this cast are giving me BB player vibes. It's like Jesse got
mixed up when he was casting the two shows.

Post by Zeppo
-Andy’s (in)decision to put the “Beware Advantage” parchment back was
totally in character.

I can't recall anyone in the past not opening a "Beware Advantage." That
should have been the end for him but he seems very lucky.

Post by Zeppo
-I liked the challenge. There were a number of elements that we have seen
before, but with new wrinkles. However, Andy going all Norman Bates on the
rice bag was somewhat disturbing.

Was Andy the one Jeff was yelling at "Watch your hands!" That was
disturbing. He does give off serial killer vibes.

Post by Zeppo
-What was the point of including Probst calling out Rachel about the rice in
the edit? It seemed bloody hypocritical given that he had allowed Liz to
essentially win a critical immunity challenge for Kenzie in S46.

Mike Bloom had a great tweet about this last night.
In 2003, Rupert stole the opposing tribe's shoes and sold them. It was
voted the next season as the greatest moment in #Survivor history
Over 20 years later, Jeff narcs on Rachel and makes her dump out the
rice she pocketed during the challenge.
https://x.com/AMikeBloomType/status/1839107908807565377
Unless there was a rule stating you couldn't take some of the rice
(pretty sure there wasn't), Jeff should have congratulated Rachel for
being ingenious.

Post by Zeppo
-I felt the warm glow of nostalgia upon seeing Sue’s old school implants.
If
nothing else, they should keep her afloat.

I was worried for a minute your girl might get the boot. TK, who I
thought was in a great spot, turned out to be Survivor stupid. Did he
expect his tribe to turn into clones of himself?

Post by Zeppo
-Gabe had a terrific tribal council. I liked his explanation of social vs.
strategic
relationships, and his ability to use humour to deflect the
insinuation by
some
of his tribe mates that he was sneaky around camp.

Before TC, I didn't think too highly of him.

Post by Zeppo
-Caroline looked like a doofus when she appeared to be reluctant to accept
Gabe’s
offer to vote with her. What exactly was she planning to do at TC?

Until he showed her his HHI, I think she planned on voting him out.
I enjoyed this episode. I was highly entertained watching some pretty
bad gameplay. Does anyone standout to you as being a really good player?
Kyle did for a while for me but he looked like he was in shock after TK
was blindsided. He could be next unless he makes a quick recovery.

Something about this cast seems different to me, and maybe it's the fact
that five players (nearly a third) are apparently broadcasters of one
type or another. Jon and Aysha are of course podcast hosts, Rome is an
E-Sports Commentator, Gabe is a radio show host and Sam is a sports
reporter. That's five players comfortable with and accustomed to
talking to audiences, and I think it shows. Not sure why there are so
many, unless it's the fact that Jeff is now also a podcast host and this
is his new archetype.

[Brian Smith]

Post by Rick

Post by Brian Smith

Post by Zeppo

Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Epic Boss Girl Move."
More later...

-I think that Rome’s decision to tell Anika about his immunity object was
due
to his compulsion to show off, rather than to gain her trust. His social play
is
bad beyond belief.

Totally agree but I think he told Teeny who then told someone else
(Anika?). That sequence of events was pretty funny. When was the last
time we saw someone caught so red handed like Teeny was. It'll
probably end up not mattering because of stupid Rome is.
The scene on the beach where Rome claimed he could have been an NBA
star and a top rapper was one of the funniest and cringiest in years.
NBA star despite stopping to play in high school?

Post by Zeppo
-Anika’s confessional in which she talked about all the men that she had
met
through dating apps, and how that experience has resulted in a finely tuned
ability to identify potentially “clingy toxic boyfriends” probably fell
under the
category of TMI.

Many on this cast are giving me BB player vibes. It's like Jesse got
mixed up when he was casting the two shows.

Post by Zeppo
-Andy’s (in)decision to put the “Beware Advantage” parchment back was
totally in character.

I can't recall anyone in the past not opening a "Beware Advantage."
That should have been the end for him but he seems very lucky.

Post by Zeppo
-I liked the challenge. There were a number of elements that we have seen
before, but with new wrinkles. However, Andy going all Norman Bates on the
rice bag was somewhat disturbing.

Was Andy the one Jeff was yelling at "Watch your hands!" That was
disturbing. He does give off serial killer vibes.

Post by Zeppo
-What was the point of including Probst calling out Rachel about the rice in
the edit? It seemed bloody hypocritical given that he had allowed Liz to
essentially win a critical immunity challenge for Kenzie in S46.

Mike Bloom had a great tweet about this last night.
In 2003, Rupert stole the opposing tribe's shoes and sold them. It was
voted the next season as the greatest moment in #Survivor history
Over 20 years later, Jeff narcs on Rachel and makes her dump out the
rice she pocketed during the challenge.
https://x.com/AMikeBloomType/status/1839107908807565377
Unless there was a rule stating you couldn't take some of the rice
(pretty sure there wasn't), Jeff should have congratulated Rachel for
being ingenious.

Post by Zeppo
-I felt the warm glow of nostalgia upon seeing Sue’s old school implants.
If
nothing else, they should keep her afloat.

I was worried for a minute your girl might get the boot. TK, who I
thought was in a great spot, turned out to be Survivor stupid. Did he
expect his tribe to turn into clones of himself?

Post by Zeppo
-Gabe had a terrific tribal council. I liked his explanation of social vs.
strategic
relationships, and his ability to use humour to deflect the
insinuation by
some
of his tribe mates that he was sneaky around camp.

Before TC, I didn't think too highly of him.

Post by Zeppo
-Caroline looked like a doofus when she appeared to be reluctant to accept
Gabe’s
offer to vote with her. What exactly was she planning to do at TC?

Until he showed her his HHI, I think she planned on voting him out.
I enjoyed this episode. I was highly entertained watching some pretty
bad gameplay. Does anyone standout to you as being a really good
player? Kyle did for a while for me but he looked like he was in shock
after TK was blindsided. He could be next unless he makes a quick
recovery.

Something about this cast seems different to me, and maybe it's the fact
that five players (nearly a third) are apparently broadcasters of one
type or another.  Jon and Aysha are of course podcast hosts, Rome is an
E-Sports Commentator, Gabe is a radio show host and Sam is a sports
reporter.  That's five players comfortable with and accustomed to
talking to audiences, and I think it shows.  Not sure why there are so
many, unless it's the fact that Jeff is now also a podcast host and this
is his new archetype.

I think they're casting groups of similar people hoping that they click.
The podcasting thing stood out to me right away but I had no idea why
they would think being a podcaster would make one a good player and I
still don't. Maybe Jeff likes what he hears on RHAP and is going to ask
Rob to join the casting team. That would actually be a good idea as I'm
completely over Jesse's Woke and checkbox casting. FYI, the current
season of BB also has it's first player from Hawaii. Wish they had put
him on Survivor as that's the show he wanted to do.

[Rick]

Post by Brian Smith

Post by Rick

Post by Brian Smith

Post by Zeppo

Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Epic Boss Girl Move."
More later...

-I think that Rome’s decision to tell Anika about his immunity object was
due
to his compulsion to show off, rather than to gain her trust. His social play
is
bad beyond belief.

Totally agree but I think he told Teeny who then told someone else
(Anika?). That sequence of events was pretty funny. When was the last
time we saw someone caught so red handed like Teeny was. It'll
probably end up not mattering because of stupid Rome is.
The scene on the beach where Rome claimed he could have been an NBA
star and a top rapper was one of the funniest and cringiest in years.
NBA star despite stopping to play in high school?

Post by Zeppo
-Anika’s confessional in which she talked about all the men that she had
met
through dating apps, and how that experience has resulted in a finely tuned
ability to identify potentially “clingy toxic boyfriends” probably fell
under the
category of TMI.

Many on this cast are giving me BB player vibes. It's like Jesse got
mixed up when he was casting the two shows.

Post by Zeppo
-Andy’s (in)decision to put the “Beware Advantage” parchment back was
totally in character.

I can't recall anyone in the past not opening a "Beware Advantage."
That should have been the end for him but he seems very lucky.

Post by Zeppo
-I liked the challenge. There were a number of elements that we have seen
before, but with new wrinkles. However, Andy going all Norman Bates on the
rice bag was somewhat disturbing.

Was Andy the one Jeff was yelling at "Watch your hands!" That was
disturbing. He does give off serial killer vibes.

Post by Zeppo
-What was the point of including Probst calling out Rachel about the rice in
the edit? It seemed bloody hypocritical given that he had allowed Liz to
essentially win a critical immunity challenge for Kenzie in S46.

Mike Bloom had a great tweet about this last night.
In 2003, Rupert stole the opposing tribe's shoes and sold them. It
was voted the next season as the greatest moment in #Survivor history
Over 20 years later, Jeff narcs on Rachel and makes her dump out the
rice she pocketed during the challenge.
https://x.com/AMikeBloomType/status/1839107908807565377
Unless there was a rule stating you couldn't take some of the rice
(pretty sure there wasn't), Jeff should have congratulated Rachel for
being ingenious.

Post by Zeppo
-I felt the warm glow of nostalgia upon seeing Sue’s old school implants.
If
nothing else, they should keep her afloat.

I was worried for a minute your girl might get the boot. TK, who I
thought was in a great spot, turned out to be Survivor stupid. Did he
expect his tribe to turn into clones of himself?

Post by Zeppo
-Gabe had a terrific tribal council. I liked his explanation of social vs.
strategic
relationships, and his ability to use humour to deflect the
insinuation by
some
of his tribe mates that he was sneaky around camp.

Before TC, I didn't think too highly of him.

Post by Zeppo
-Caroline looked like a doofus when she appeared to be reluctant to accept
Gabe’s
offer to vote with her. What exactly was she planning to do at TC?

Until he showed her his HHI, I think she planned on voting him out.
I enjoyed this episode. I was highly entertained watching some pretty
bad gameplay. Does anyone standout to you as being a really good
player? Kyle did for a while for me but he looked like he was in
shock after TK was blindsided. He could be next unless he makes a
quick recovery.

Something about this cast seems different to me, and maybe it's the
fact that five players (nearly a third) are apparently broadcasters of
one type or another.  Jon and Aysha are of course podcast hosts, Rome
is an E-Sports Commentator, Gabe is a radio show host and Sam is a
sports reporter.  That's five players comfortable with and accustomed
to talking to audiences, and I think it shows.  Not sure why there are
so many, unless it's the fact that Jeff is now also a podcast host and
this is his new archetype.

I think they're casting groups of similar people hoping that they click.
The podcasting thing stood out to me right away but I had no idea why
they would think being a podcaster would make one a good player and I
still don't....

Well they did cast three lawyers on S45 and even on this season there
are three people in the medical field (kind of) - one doctor, one nurse
and one medical device salesman - but I can't off-hand recall another
season with five people in essentially the same profession. It's hard
to think of that as just a coincidence.

Post by Brian Smith
Maybe Jeff likes what he hears on RHAP and is going to ask
Rob to join the casting team. That would actually be a good idea as I'm
completely over Jesse's Woke and checkbox casting. FYI, the current
season of BB also has it's first player from Hawaii. Wish they had put
him on Survivor as that's the show he wanted to do.

Not sure if Rob would really want to influence casting like that, since
it would sort of compromise his role of being an objective commentator
for the show.