S47 Ep13 Spoilers and Comments (12/11/2024)

[Brian Smith]

Tonight's episode is titled "Bob and Weave" and is two-hours long. It's
also being marketed as Part 1 of the Finale. The episode title is
probably from something Andy says. Teeny confronts him about the vote
and he tells her he decided to flip on the way to TC. If he manages to
sell that lie he deserves to win.

Based off one of the sneak peeks, I think it's a sure thing Teeny will
not win. Showing a player doing a confessional where they say nothing
went the way they thought it would is not something you expect to see
from a winner. It also looks like Rachel is the Tony of S47, not Sue.

[Rick]

Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Bob and Weave" and is two-hours long. It's
also being marketed as Part 1 of the Finale. The episode title is
probably from something Andy says. Teeny confronts him about the vote
and he tells her he decided to flip on the way to TC. If he manages to
sell that lie he deserves to win.
Based off one of the sneak peeks, I think it's a sure thing Teeny will
not win. Showing a player doing a confessional where they say nothing
went the way they thought it would is not something you expect to see
from a winner. It also looks like Rachel is the Tony of S47, not Sue.

I agree Teeny's stock has fallen and Rachel is clearly being positioned
as the most likely winner. And Sue seems a lock to be the 3rd place
zero-vote finalist.

The big mystery for me is where does Andy land? I feel his constant
flip-flopping can't possibly endear him to anyone, but you never know.
I think the only way he can possibly win is he survives to F4, somehow
wins F4 immunity, takes himself to make fire, somehow wins the fire
challenge, then gives an articulate, insightful speech on how he got to
the finals. That's a really big ask. Do I think he can do all that? No.

[shawn]

Post by Rick

Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Bob and Weave" and is two-hours long. It's
also being marketed as Part 1 of the Finale. The episode title is
probably from something Andy says. Teeny confronts him about the vote
and he tells her he decided to flip on the way to TC. If he manages to
sell that lie he deserves to win.
Based off one of the sneak peeks, I think it's a sure thing Teeny will
not win. Showing a player doing a confessional where they say nothing
went the way they thought it would is not something you expect to see
from a winner. It also looks like Rachel is the Tony of S47, not Sue.

I agree Teeny's stock has fallen and Rachel is clearly being positioned
as the most likely winner. And Sue seems a lock to be the 3rd place
zero-vote finalist.

Agreed on all points.

Post by Rick
The big mystery for me is where does Andy land? I feel his constant
flip-flopping can't possibly endear him to anyone, but you never know.
I think the only way he can possibly win is he survives to F4, somehow
wins F4 immunity, takes himself to make fire, somehow wins the fire
challenge, then gives an articulate, insightful speech on how he got to
the finals. That's a really big ask. Do I think he can do all that? No.

Andy has been a mystery all season long. I'm still not sure where he
stands with the other players. Rachel has clearly been burned by him a
few times but how would she vote if she was on the jury and he was in
the final three? What about the remaining players and Andy? I'm
unclear on where they stand on his game play. Yet I think I have a
good idea of where they stand on everyone else.

[Brian Smith]

Post by shawn

Post by Rick

Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Bob and Weave" and is two-hours long. It's
also being marketed as Part 1 of the Finale. The episode title is
probably from something Andy says. Teeny confronts him about the vote
and he tells her he decided to flip on the way to TC. If he manages to
sell that lie he deserves to win.
Based off one of the sneak peeks, I think it's a sure thing Teeny will
not win. Showing a player doing a confessional where they say nothing
went the way they thought it would is not something you expect to see
from a winner. It also looks like Rachel is the Tony of S47, not Sue.

I agree Teeny's stock has fallen and Rachel is clearly being positioned
as the most likely winner. And Sue seems a lock to be the 3rd place
zero-vote finalist.

Agreed on all points.

Post by Rick
The big mystery for me is where does Andy land? I feel his constant
flip-flopping can't possibly endear him to anyone, but you never know.
I think the only way he can possibly win is he survives to F4, somehow
wins F4 immunity, takes himself to make fire, somehow wins the fire
challenge, then gives an articulate, insightful speech on how he got to
the finals. That's a really big ask. Do I think he can do all that? No.

Andy has been a mystery all season long. I'm still not sure where he
stands with the other players. Rachel has clearly been burned by him a
few times but how would she vote if she was on the jury and he was in
the final three? What about the remaining players and Andy? I'm
unclear on where they stand on his game play. Yet I think I have a
good idea of where they stand on everyone else.

Andy's pretty well burned the entire jury except for maybe Gabe and
Kyle. I could see Sam voting for Andy at the end as long as Rachel and
Gen are not F3. Sam's been very tolerant with Andy and appears to be
true to his word to a large extent.

[Rick]

Post by Brian Smith

Post by shawn

Post by Rick

Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Bob and Weave" and is two-hours long. It's
also being marketed as Part 1 of the Finale. The episode title is
probably from something Andy says. Teeny confronts him about the vote
and he tells her he decided to flip on the way to TC. If he manages to
sell that lie he deserves to win.
Based off one of the sneak peeks, I think it's a sure thing Teeny will
not win. Showing a player doing a confessional where they say nothing
went the way they thought it would is not something you expect to see
from a winner. It also looks like Rachel is the Tony of S47, not Sue.

I agree Teeny's stock has fallen and Rachel is clearly being positioned
as the most likely winner.  And Sue seems a lock to be the 3rd place
zero-vote finalist.

Agreed on all points.

Post by Rick
The big mystery for me is where does Andy land?  I feel his constant
flip-flopping can't possibly endear him to anyone, but you never know.
I think the only way he can possibly win is he survives to F4, somehow
wins F4 immunity, takes himself to make fire, somehow wins the fire
challenge, then gives an articulate, insightful speech on how he got to
the finals.  That's a really big ask.  Do I think he can do all
that?  No.

Andy has been a mystery all season long. I'm still not sure where he
stands with the other players. Rachel has clearly been burned by him a
few times but how would she vote if she was on the jury and he was in
the final three? What about the remaining players and Andy? I'm
unclear on where they stand on his game play. Yet I think I have a
good idea of where they stand on everyone else.

Andy's pretty well burned the entire jury except for maybe Gabe and
Kyle. I could see Sam voting for Andy at the end as long as Rachel and
Gen are not F3. Sam's been very tolerant with Andy and appears to be
true to his word to a large extent.

So who wins if the final three is Gen, Andy and Sue? My initial thought
was Gen, but I wonder if there is enough bad will toward both Andy and
Gen that Sue could somehow back into a win in that case?

[Brian Smith]

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Post by shawn

Post by Rick

Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Bob and Weave" and is two-hours long. It's
also being marketed as Part 1 of the Finale. The episode title is
probably from something Andy says. Teeny confronts him about the vote
and he tells her he decided to flip on the way to TC. If he manages to
sell that lie he deserves to win.
Based off one of the sneak peeks, I think it's a sure thing Teeny will
not win. Showing a player doing a confessional where they say nothing
went the way they thought it would is not something you expect to see
from a winner. It also looks like Rachel is the Tony of S47, not Sue.

I agree Teeny's stock has fallen and Rachel is clearly being positioned
as the most likely winner.  And Sue seems a lock to be the 3rd place
zero-vote finalist.

Agreed on all points.

Post by Rick
The big mystery for me is where does Andy land?  I feel his constant
flip-flopping can't possibly endear him to anyone, but you never know.
I think the only way he can possibly win is he survives to F4, somehow
wins F4 immunity, takes himself to make fire, somehow wins the fire
challenge, then gives an articulate, insightful speech on how he got to
the finals.  That's a really big ask.  Do I think he can do all
that?  No.

Andy has been a mystery all season long. I'm still not sure where he
stands with the other players. Rachel has clearly been burned by him a
few times but how would she vote if she was on the jury and he was in
the final three? What about the remaining players and Andy? I'm
unclear on where they stand on his game play. Yet I think I have a
good idea of where they stand on everyone else.

Andy's pretty well burned the entire jury except for maybe Gabe and
Kyle. I could see Sam voting for Andy at the end as long as Rachel and
Gen are not F3. Sam's been very tolerant with Andy and appears to be
true to his word to a large extent.

So who wins if the final three is Gen, Andy and Sue?  My initial thought
was Gen, but I wonder if there is enough bad will toward both Andy and
Gen that Sue could somehow back into a win in that case?

Makes me sad that after tonight Sue's the only one still in the game of
those three.

[Rick]

Post by Brian Smith

Post by Brian Smith

Post by shawn

Post by Rick

Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Bob and Weave" and is two-hours long. It's
also being marketed as Part 1 of the Finale. The episode title is
probably from something Andy says. Teeny confronts him about the vote
and he tells her he decided to flip on the way to TC. If he manages to
sell that lie he deserves to win.
Based off one of the sneak peeks, I think it's a sure thing Teeny will
not win. Showing a player doing a confessional where they say nothing
went the way they thought it would is not something you expect to see
from a winner. It also looks like Rachel is the Tony of S47, not Sue.

I agree Teeny's stock has fallen and Rachel is clearly being positioned
as the most likely winner.  And Sue seems a lock to be the 3rd place
zero-vote finalist.

Agreed on all points.

Post by Rick
The big mystery for me is where does Andy land?  I feel his constant
flip-flopping can't possibly endear him to anyone, but you never know.
I think the only way he can possibly win is he survives to F4, somehow
wins F4 immunity, takes himself to make fire, somehow wins the fire
challenge, then gives an articulate, insightful speech on how he got to
the finals.  That's a really big ask.  Do I think he can do all
that?  No.

Andy has been a mystery all season long. I'm still not sure where he
stands with the other players. Rachel has clearly been burned by him a
few times but how would she vote if she was on the jury and he was in
the final three? What about the remaining players and Andy? I'm
unclear on where they stand on his game play. Yet I think I have a
good idea of where they stand on everyone else.

Andy's pretty well burned the entire jury except for maybe Gabe and
Kyle. I could see Sam voting for Andy at the end as long as Rachel
and Gen are not F3. Sam's been very tolerant with Andy and appears to
be true to his word to a large extent.

So who wins if the final three is Gen, Andy and Sue?  My initial
thought was Gen, but I wonder if there is enough bad will toward both
Andy and Gen that Sue could somehow back into a win in that case?

Makes me sad that after tonight Sue's the only one still in the game of
those three.

Opposite here. I didn't like either Andy or Gen and am glad they are
both gone.

[Zeppo]

Post by Brian Smith
Makes me sad that after tonight Sue's the only one still in the game of
those three.

Opposite here. I didn't like either Andy or Gen and am glad they are
both gone.

I don’t have to like them as people to admire their game play.

[Rick]

Post by Zeppo

Post by Brian Smith
Makes me sad that after tonight Sue's the only one still in the game of
those three.

Opposite here. I didn't like either Andy or Gen and am glad they are
both gone.

I don’t have to like them as people to admire their game play.

That's a valid point, but in this case I can't really say I admire their
game play. Andy flip-flopped constantly and seemed to be playing to the
cameras more than executing a well-thought out strategy. His childlike
giddiness was offputting, and I got the clear impression that none of
the other players really respected him all that much.

As for Genevieve, she made a couple of dramatic but sloppily executed
moves and ultimately never seemed to have a lot of respect from the
other players. She never struck me as being a consistently strategic
player, and her signature move of getting rid of Sol probably caused her
more ultimate harm than good.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Please add the show's title to Subject if you crosspost into
rec.arts.tv.

[Rhino]

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Please add the show's title to Subject if you crosspost into
rec.arts.tv.

I'm guessing that the show is Survivor given that the other group he's
posting to is alt.tv.survivor. Also, there aren't that many shows on air
that have been running 47 seasons....

[Ubiquitous]

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Post by Rick

Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Bob and Weave" and is two-hours long. It's
also being marketed as Part 1 of the Finale. The episode title is
probably from something Andy says. Teeny confronts him about the vote
and he tells her he decided to flip on the way to TC. If he manages to
sell that lie he deserves to win.
Based off one of the sneak peeks, I think it's a sure thing Teeny will
not win. Showing a player doing a confessional where they say nothing
went the way they thought it would is not something you expect to see
from a winner. It also looks like Rachel is the Tony of S47, not Sue.

I agree Teeny's stock has fallen and Rachel is clearly being positioned
as the most likely winner. And Sue seems a lock to be the 3rd place
zero-vote finalist.

Agreed on all points.

Post by Rick
The big mystery for me is where does Andy land? I feel his constant
flip-flopping can't possibly endear him to anyone, but you never know.
I think the only way he can possibly win is he survives to F4, somehow
wins F4 immunity, takes himself to make fire, somehow wins the fire
challenge, then gives an articulate, insightful speech on how he got to
the finals. That's a really big ask. Do I think he can do all that? No.

Andy has been a mystery all season long. I'm still not sure where he
stands with the other players. Rachel has clearly been burned by him a
few times but how would she vote if she was on the jury and he was in
the final three? What about the remaining players and Andy? I'm
unclear on where they stand on his game play. Yet I think I have a
good idea of where they stand on everyone else.

What in the Wild World of Sports are you talking about?

--
Let's go Brandon!

[Brian Smith]

Post by Rick

Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Bob and Weave" and is two-hours long.
It's also being marketed as Part 1 of the Finale. The episode title is
probably from something Andy says. Teeny confronts him about the vote
and he tells her he decided to flip on the way to TC. If he manages to
sell that lie he deserves to win.
Based off one of the sneak peeks, I think it's a sure thing Teeny will
not win. Showing a player doing a confessional where they say nothing
went the way they thought it would is not something you expect to see
from a winner. It also looks like Rachel is the Tony of S47, not Sue.

I agree Teeny's stock has fallen and Rachel is clearly being positioned
as the most likely winner.  And Sue seems a lock to be the 3rd place
zero-vote finalist.

Teeny's edit has been getting pretty bad lately so I'm going to go with
her as the third place zero-vote finalist.

I'm not completely sold on Rachel winning. She's been out of the loop a
number times this season including on this last blindside. Gen's been
much more aware and control of the game than Rachel. If they're both F3
it would probably come down to if the jury respects social game more
than they do strategist game.

Post by Rick
The big mystery for me is where does Andy land?  I feel his constant
flip-flopping can't possibly endear him to anyone, but you never know. I
think the only way he can possibly win is he survives to F4, somehow
wins F4 immunity, takes himself to make fire, somehow wins the fire
challenge, then gives an articulate, insightful speech on how he got to
the finals.  That's a really big ask.  Do I think he can do all that?  No.

Andy could be the Charlie of this season. Above average resume
overshadowed by bad jury management.

[Brian Smith]

Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Bob and Weave" and is two-hours long. It's
also being marketed as Part 1 of the Finale. The episode title is
probably from something Andy says. Teeny confronts him about the vote
and he tells her he decided to flip on the way to TC. If he manages to
sell that lie he deserves to win.
Based off one of the sneak peeks, I think it's a sure thing Teeny will
not win. Showing a player doing a confessional where they say nothing
went the way they thought it would is not something you expect to see
from a winner. It also looks like Rachel is the Tony of S47, not Sue.

Another excellent episode tonight.

The start of the episode was great. Teeny is so gullible. How could she
believe that nonsensical story Andy, Sam, and Gen told her? Andy was
also super cocky. It’s like he sensed the gig was up and he was just
going to have a good laugh until he got booted.

I was surprised that Rachel told Sue about her HII. I was even more
surprised when Sue didn’t tell Rachel about hers. Looks like trust is a
one-way street for Sue.

Immunity/Reward Challenge (F6)

As Gen said, this challenge was designed for Rachel. Rachel: “I love
puzzles!” But it was Gen who won ensuring herself at least F5. The
reward was a trip to The Sanctuary for some food and wine. Sam told Gen
not to choose him as he was having stomach issues. Gen chose Sue and Teeny.

The Sanctuary

A drunk Teeny told Sue in front of Gen that Gen’s HII is real. Has Teeny
done anything right in the game? Gen tried to sell Teeny and Sue on
taking out Rachel. Teeny was in stating she can’t beat Rachel in fire.
Possible foreshadowing?

Meanwhile, back at camp, Andy and Sam were telling Rachel that they were
voting for her because they couldn’t beat her. Rachel played into it and
turned on the tears. She put on a convincing act that she was resigned
to being the next boot. When the others got back it was made clear that
they were all voting for Rachel except for Sue.

Tribal Council

This was a good TC. Teeny, Andy, Sam, and Gen were all convinced that it
was the end for Rachel. But Gen did comment that she was worried that
Rachel would rise from the dead. Rachel didn’t die as she smartly played
her HII. She used her Block a Vote on Sam. She and Sue voted for Andy
which finally ended his run. Caroline’s reaction was priceless. She
said, “Fuck yeah!” when Jeff announced Andy had been voted out. She also
made a “thank you” gesture toward Rachel. If Rachel makes it to the end,
she’s got Caroline’s vote even if Sue is there.

Going into F5 it was clear that both Rachel and Gen had to win immunity
to survive. Weird as hell knowing Sue was guaranteed a spot in F4.

Immunity Challenge

This stacking challenge looked brutal. Rachel won immunity and likely
the game at the same time.

Back at Camp

As far as I’m concerned, Sam and Gen messed up big time not working
together to target Teeny’s self-doubt about the game. Sam telling Teeny
that Gen’s idol is fake was a smart move but then gen should have told
her that Sam was lying to put a lot of doubt in Teeny’s mind. She did
have a lot of doubt in her mind but it was wasted when they didn’t vote
for her.

Tribal Council

Gen did her best to survive but it was a lost cause when she and Sam
voted for each other. Not saying that it would have saved them, but it
was worth a shot. In the end, Gen was booted by a 3–2 vote. She and
Teeny voted for Sam. FYI, Tenny said on X that the vote was planned that
way.

On a bit of a side note, Sue played her HII, but they didn’t show us
Caroline’s reaction.

Next Episode

Next week is the finale. I can’t see Rachel not winning now unless she
gets screwed over in fire. If F3 is her up against Teeny and Sue, we
might have two zero-vote finalists.

I was sad to see Gen go. Hopefully she’s asked back for S50. She’s
easily one of the top strategic players of the New Era.

[Rick]

Post by Brian Smith

Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Bob and Weave" and is two-hours long.
It's also being marketed as Part 1 of the Finale. The episode title is
probably from something Andy says. Teeny confronts him about the vote
and he tells her he decided to flip on the way to TC. If he manages to
sell that lie he deserves to win.
Based off one of the sneak peeks, I think it's a sure thing Teeny will
not win. Showing a player doing a confessional where they say nothing
went the way they thought it would is not something you expect to see
from a winner. It also looks like Rachel is the Tony of S47, not Sue.

Another excellent episode tonight.
The start of the episode was great. Teeny is so gullible. How could she
believe that nonsensical story Andy, Sam, and Gen told her? Andy was
also super cocky. It’s like he sensed the gig was up and he was just
going to have a good laugh until he got booted.
I was surprised that Rachel told Sue about her HII. I was even more
surprised when Sue didn’t tell Rachel about hers. Looks like trust is a
one-way street for Sue.

I wasn't surprised by Sue. She told an interviewer before the game that
she made a promise to her daughter (not Caroline - her actual real-life
daughter) that if she were to find a HII, she would not tell anyone.

Post by Brian Smith
Immunity/Reward Challenge (F6)
As Gen said, this challenge was designed for Rachel. Rachel: “I love
puzzles!” But it was Gen who won ensuring herself at least F5. The
reward was a trip to The Sanctuary for some food and wine. Sam told Gen
not to choose him as he was having stomach issues. Gen chose Sue and Teeny.
The Sanctuary
A drunk Teeny told Sue in front of Gen that Gen’s HII is real. Has Teeny
done anything right in the game? Gen tried to sell Teeny and Sue on
taking out Rachel. Teeny was in stating she can’t beat Rachel in fire.
Possible foreshadowing?
Meanwhile, back at camp, Andy and Sam were telling Rachel that they were
voting for her because they couldn’t beat her. Rachel played into it and
turned on the tears. She put on a convincing act that she was resigned
to being the next boot. When the others got back it was made clear that
they were all voting for Rachel except for Sue.
Tribal Council
This was a good TC. Teeny, Andy, Sam, and Gen were all convinced that it
was the end for Rachel. But Gen did comment that she was worried that
Rachel would rise from the dead. Rachel didn’t die as she smartly played
her HII. She used her Block a Vote on Sam. She and Sue voted for Andy
which finally ended his run. Caroline’s reaction was priceless. She
said, “Fuck yeah!” when Jeff announced Andy had been voted out. She also
made a “thank you” gesture toward Rachel. If Rachel makes it to the end,
she’s got Caroline’s vote even if Sue is there.
Going into F5 it was clear that both Rachel and Gen had to win immunity
to survive. Weird as hell knowing Sue was guaranteed a spot in F4.
Immunity Challenge
This stacking challenge looked brutal. Rachel won immunity and likely
the game at the same time.
Back at Camp
As far as I’m concerned, Sam and Gen messed up big time not working
together to target Teeny’s self-doubt about the game. Sam telling Teeny
that Gen’s idol is fake was a smart move but then gen should have told
her that Sam was lying to put a lot of doubt in Teeny’s mind. She did
have a lot of doubt in her mind but it was wasted when they didn’t vote
for her.
Tribal Council
Gen did her best to survive but it was a lost cause when she and Sam
voted for each other. Not saying that it would have saved them, but it
was worth a shot. In the end, Gen was booted by a 3–2 vote. She and
Teeny voted for Sam. FYI, Tenny said on X that the vote was planned that
way.
On a bit of a side note, Sue played her HII, but they didn’t show us
Caroline’s reaction.

Probably since Caroline already knew about it and knew this was the last
tie she could play it.

Post by Brian Smith
Next Episode
Next week is the finale. I can’t see Rachel not winning now unless she
gets screwed over in fire. If F3 is her up against Teeny and Sue, we
might have two zero-vote finalists.

Assuming Rachel wins another immunity and doesn't put herself in fire,
that would mean either Sue or Teeny would have to beat Sam at fire.

Post by Brian Smith
I was sad to see Gen go. Hopefully she’s asked back for S50. She’s
easily one of the top strategic players of the New Era.

I was glad to see her go because I just don't care for her, but i
wouldn't object if they brought her back for S50. She benefited from a
couple of lucky breaks this time (the Andy flip flop and the
happenstance of Sam having a unused idol), and it would be interesting
to see how she does with a group of returning players.

[Brian Smith]

Post by Brian Smith
I was surprised that Rachel told Sue about her HII. I was even more
surprised when Sue didn’t tell Rachel about hers. Looks like trust is
a one-way street for Sue.

I wasn't surprised by Sue.  She told an interviewer before the game that
she made a promise to her daughter (not Caroline - her actual real-life
daughter) that if she were to find a HII, she would not tell anyone.

I find it strange that she feels people should tell her their secrets
but doesn't want to reciprocate.

Post by Brian Smith
Tribal Council
Gen did her best to survive but it was a lost cause when she and Sam
voted for each other. Not saying that it would have saved them, but it
was worth a shot. In the end, Gen was booted by a 3–2 vote. She and
Teeny voted for Sam. FYI, Tenny said on X that the vote was planned
that way.
On a bit of a side note, Sue played her HII, but they didn’t show us
Caroline’s reaction.

Probably since Caroline already knew about it and knew this was the last
tie she could play it.

True, but Caroline's reaction might have been "why the fuck didn't you
play it for me last week?!"

Post by Brian Smith
Next Episode
Next week is the finale. I can’t see Rachel not winning now unless she
gets screwed over in fire. If F3 is her up against Teeny and Sue, we
might have two zero-vote finalists.

Assuming Rachel wins another immunity and doesn't put herself in fire,
that would mean either Sue or Teeny would have to beat Sam at fire.

No need for Rachel to risk doing fire if she wins immunity. Of the
players left, her resume is by far the best.

Post by Brian Smith
I was sad to see Gen go. Hopefully she’s asked back for S50. She’s
easily one of the top strategic players of the New Era.

I was glad to see her go because I just don't care for her, but i
wouldn't object if they brought her back for S50.  She benefited from a
couple of lucky breaks this time (the Andy flip flop and the
happenstance of Sam having a unused idol), and it would be interesting
to see how she does with a group of returning players.

I found Gen to be an intriguing player. Given the disastrous tribe she
started out on, she did good to make F5. In terms of luck, she had
little compared to Rachel. I think she would do good against returning
players. She's smart and adaptable.

[Brian Smith]

Post by Brian Smith

Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Bob and Weave" and is two-hours long.
It's also being marketed as Part 1 of the Finale. The episode title is
probably from something Andy says. Teeny confronts him about the vote
and he tells her he decided to flip on the way to TC. If he manages to
sell that lie he deserves to win.
Based off one of the sneak peeks, I think it's a sure thing Teeny will
not win. Showing a player doing a confessional where they say nothing
went the way they thought it would is not something you expect to see
from a winner. It also looks like Rachel is the Tony of S47, not Sue.

Another excellent episode tonight.
The start of the episode was great. Teeny is so gullible. How could she
believe that nonsensical story Andy, Sam, and Gen told her? Andy was
also super cocky. It’s like he sensed the gig was up and he was just
going to have a good laugh until he got booted.
I was surprised that Rachel told Sue about her HII. I was even more
surprised when Sue didn’t tell Rachel about hers. Looks like trust is a
one-way street for Sue.
Immunity/Reward Challenge (F6)
As Gen said, this challenge was designed for Rachel. Rachel: “I love
puzzles!” But it was Gen who won ensuring herself at least F5. The
reward was a trip to The Sanctuary for some food and wine. Sam told Gen
not to choose him as he was having stomach issues. Gen chose Sue and Teeny.
The Sanctuary
A drunk Teeny told Sue in front of Gen that Gen’s HII is real. Has Teeny
done anything right in the game? Gen tried to sell Teeny and Sue on
taking out Rachel. Teeny was in stating she can’t beat Rachel in fire.
Possible foreshadowing?
Meanwhile, back at camp, Andy and Sam were telling Rachel that they were
voting for her because they couldn’t beat her. Rachel played into it and
turned on the tears. She put on a convincing act that she was resigned
to being the next boot. When the others got back it was made clear that
they were all voting for Rachel except for Sue.
Tribal Council
This was a good TC. Teeny, Andy, Sam, and Gen were all convinced that it
was the end for Rachel. But Gen did comment that she was worried that
Rachel would rise from the dead. Rachel didn’t die as she smartly played
her HII. She used her Block a Vote on Sam. She and Sue voted for Andy
which finally ended his run. Caroline’s reaction was priceless. She
said, “Fuck yeah!” when Jeff announced Andy had been voted out. She also
made a “thank you” gesture toward Rachel. If Rachel makes it to the end,
she’s got Caroline’s vote even if Sue is there.
Going into F5 it was clear that both Rachel and Gen had to win immunity
to survive. Weird as hell knowing Sue was guaranteed a spot in F4.
Immunity Challenge
This stacking challenge looked brutal. Rachel won immunity and likely
the game at the same time.
Back at Camp
As far as I’m concerned, Sam and Gen messed up big time not working
together to target Teeny’s self-doubt about the game. Sam telling Teeny
that Gen’s idol is fake was a smart move but then gen should have told
her that Sam was lying to put a lot of doubt in Teeny’s mind. She did
have a lot of doubt in her mind but it was wasted when they didn’t vote
for her.
Tribal Council
Gen did her best to survive but it was a lost cause when she and Sam
voted for each other. Not saying that it would have saved them, but it
was worth a shot. In the end, Gen was booted by a 3–2 vote. She and
Teeny voted for Sam. FYI, Tenny said on X that the vote was planned that
way.
On a bit of a side note, Sue played her HII, but they didn’t show us
Caroline’s reaction.
Next Episode
Next week is the finale. I can’t see Rachel not winning now unless she
gets screwed over in fire. If F3 is her up against Teeny and Sue, we
might have two zero-vote finalists.
I was sad to see Gen go. Hopefully she’s asked back for S50. She’s
easily one of the top strategic players of the New Era.

I have to give Teeny credit for owning her bad gameplay. Some tweets
from tonight.

Imagine the relief I felt winning the fishy week one knowing it would
never happen again.

https://x.com/teenychill/status/1867093639932883351

If my journey on survivor can inspire a survivor youtube video ranking
like “top five most consistently fooled players” that I can watch while
I eat a chipotle bowl then I’m truly happy @ Peridiam @ idoled out.

https://x.com/teenychill/status/1867092940314788183

[Rick]

Post by Brian Smith

Post by Brian Smith

Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Bob and Weave" and is two-hours long.
It's also being marketed as Part 1 of the Finale. The episode title
is probably from something Andy says. Teeny confronts him about the
vote and he tells her he decided to flip on the way to TC. If he
manages to sell that lie he deserves to win.
Based off one of the sneak peeks, I think it's a sure thing Teeny
will not win. Showing a player doing a confessional where they say
nothing went the way they thought it would is not something you
expect to see from a winner. It also looks like Rachel is the Tony of
S47, not Sue.

Another excellent episode tonight.
The start of the episode was great. Teeny is so gullible. How could
she believe that nonsensical story Andy, Sam, and Gen told her? Andy
was also super cocky. It’s like he sensed the gig was up and he was
just going to have a good laugh until he got booted.
I was surprised that Rachel told Sue about her HII. I was even more
surprised when Sue didn’t tell Rachel about hers. Looks like trust is
a one-way street for Sue.
Immunity/Reward Challenge (F6)
As Gen said, this challenge was designed for Rachel. Rachel: “I love
puzzles!” But it was Gen who won ensuring herself at least F5. The
reward was a trip to The Sanctuary for some food and wine. Sam told
Gen not to choose him as he was having stomach issues. Gen chose Sue
and Teeny.
The Sanctuary
A drunk Teeny told Sue in front of Gen that Gen’s HII is real. Has
Teeny done anything right in the game? Gen tried to sell Teeny and Sue
on taking out Rachel. Teeny was in stating she can’t beat Rachel in
fire. Possible foreshadowing?
Meanwhile, back at camp, Andy and Sam were telling Rachel that they
were voting for her because they couldn’t beat her. Rachel played into
it and turned on the tears. She put on a convincing act that she was
resigned to being the next boot. When the others got back it was made
clear that they were all voting for Rachel except for Sue.
Tribal Council
This was a good TC. Teeny, Andy, Sam, and Gen were all convinced that
it was the end for Rachel. But Gen did comment that she was worried
that Rachel would rise from the dead. Rachel didn’t die as she smartly
played her HII. She used her Block a Vote on Sam. She and Sue voted
for Andy which finally ended his run. Caroline’s reaction was
priceless. She said, “Fuck yeah!” when Jeff announced Andy had been
voted out. She also made a “thank you” gesture toward Rachel. If
Rachel makes it to the end, she’s got Caroline’s vote even if Sue is
there.
Going into F5 it was clear that both Rachel and Gen had to win
immunity to survive. Weird as hell knowing Sue was guaranteed a spot
in F4.
Immunity Challenge
This stacking challenge looked brutal. Rachel won immunity and likely
the game at the same time.
Back at Camp
As far as I’m concerned, Sam and Gen messed up big time not working
together to target Teeny’s self-doubt about the game. Sam telling
Teeny that Gen’s idol is fake was a smart move but then gen should
have told her that Sam was lying to put a lot of doubt in Teeny’s
mind. She did have a lot of doubt in her mind but it was wasted when
they didn’t vote for her.
Tribal Council
Gen did her best to survive but it was a lost cause when she and Sam
voted for each other. Not saying that it would have saved them, but it
was worth a shot. In the end, Gen was booted by a 3–2 vote. She and
Teeny voted for Sam. FYI, Tenny said on X that the vote was planned
that way.
On a bit of a side note, Sue played her HII, but they didn’t show us
Caroline’s reaction.
Next Episode
Next week is the finale. I can’t see Rachel not winning now unless she
gets screwed over in fire. If F3 is her up against Teeny and Sue, we
might have two zero-vote finalists.
I was sad to see Gen go. Hopefully she’s asked back for S50. She’s
easily one of the top strategic players of the New Era.

I have to give Teeny credit for owning her bad gameplay. Some tweets
from tonight.
Imagine the relief I felt winning the fishy week one knowing it would
never happen again.
https://x.com/teenychill/status/1867093639932883351
If my journey on survivor can inspire a survivor youtube video ranking
like “top five most consistently fooled players” that I can watch while
https://x.com/teenychill/status/1867092940314788183

There is a kind of gullible openness and honesty to Teeny that I can't
recall in any other player. It's almost like she is a 12-year old in a
23-year old body. She says and does some really dumb things at times,
yet, as you say, she owns up to them. She is one of the most
transparently emotional players I can remember.

If Rachel somehow gets "fired" out and we have a finale of Teeny, Sue
and Sam, I wonder if there would be enough good will from mainly the
female jury members to give her the win?

If nothing else, we could see all three finalists getting votes if
that's the final three we end up with.

[Brian Smith]

Post by Rick

Post by Brian Smith

Post by Brian Smith

Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Bob and Weave" and is two-hours long.
It's also being marketed as Part 1 of the Finale. The episode title
is probably from something Andy says. Teeny confronts him about the
vote and he tells her he decided to flip on the way to TC. If he
manages to sell that lie he deserves to win.
Based off one of the sneak peeks, I think it's a sure thing Teeny
will not win. Showing a player doing a confessional where they say
nothing went the way they thought it would is not something you
expect to see from a winner. It also looks like Rachel is the Tony
of S47, not Sue.

Another excellent episode tonight.
The start of the episode was great. Teeny is so gullible. How could
she believe that nonsensical story Andy, Sam, and Gen told her? Andy
was also super cocky. It’s like he sensed the gig was up and he was
just going to have a good laugh until he got booted.
I was surprised that Rachel told Sue about her HII. I was even more
surprised when Sue didn’t tell Rachel about hers. Looks like trust is
a one-way street for Sue.
Immunity/Reward Challenge (F6)
As Gen said, this challenge was designed for Rachel. Rachel: “I love
puzzles!” But it was Gen who won ensuring herself at least F5. The
reward was a trip to The Sanctuary for some food and wine. Sam told
Gen not to choose him as he was having stomach issues. Gen chose Sue
and Teeny.
The Sanctuary
A drunk Teeny told Sue in front of Gen that Gen’s HII is real. Has
Teeny done anything right in the game? Gen tried to sell Teeny and
Sue on taking out Rachel. Teeny was in stating she can’t beat Rachel
in fire. Possible foreshadowing?
Meanwhile, back at camp, Andy and Sam were telling Rachel that they
were voting for her because they couldn’t beat her. Rachel played
into it and turned on the tears. She put on a convincing act that she
was resigned to being the next boot. When the others got back it was
made clear that they were all voting for Rachel except for Sue.
Tribal Council
This was a good TC. Teeny, Andy, Sam, and Gen were all convinced that
it was the end for Rachel. But Gen did comment that she was worried
that Rachel would rise from the dead. Rachel didn’t die as she
smartly played her HII. She used her Block a Vote on Sam. She and Sue
voted for Andy which finally ended his run. Caroline’s reaction was
priceless. She said, “Fuck yeah!” when Jeff announced Andy had been
voted out. She also made a “thank you” gesture toward Rachel. If
Rachel makes it to the end, she’s got Caroline’s vote even if Sue is
there.
Going into F5 it was clear that both Rachel and Gen had to win
immunity to survive. Weird as hell knowing Sue was guaranteed a spot
in F4.
Immunity Challenge
This stacking challenge looked brutal. Rachel won immunity and likely
the game at the same time.
Back at Camp
As far as I’m concerned, Sam and Gen messed up big time not working
together to target Teeny’s self-doubt about the game. Sam telling
Teeny that Gen’s idol is fake was a smart move but then gen should
have told her that Sam was lying to put a lot of doubt in Teeny’s
mind. She did have a lot of doubt in her mind but it was wasted when
they didn’t vote for her.
Tribal Council
Gen did her best to survive but it was a lost cause when she and Sam
voted for each other. Not saying that it would have saved them, but
it was worth a shot. In the end, Gen was booted by a 3–2 vote. She
and Teeny voted for Sam. FYI, Tenny said on X that the vote was
planned that way.
On a bit of a side note, Sue played her HII, but they didn’t show us
Caroline’s reaction.
Next Episode
Next week is the finale. I can’t see Rachel not winning now unless
she gets screwed over in fire. If F3 is her up against Teeny and Sue,
we might have two zero-vote finalists.
I was sad to see Gen go. Hopefully she’s asked back for S50. She’s
easily one of the top strategic players of the New Era.

I have to give Teeny credit for owning her bad gameplay. Some tweets
from tonight.
Imagine the relief I felt winning the fishy week one knowing it would
never happen again.
https://x.com/teenychill/status/1867093639932883351
If my journey on survivor can inspire a survivor youtube video ranking
like “top five most consistently fooled players” that I can watch
https://x.com/teenychill/status/1867092940314788183

There is a kind of gullible openness and honesty to Teeny that I can't
recall in any other player.  It's almost like she is a 12-year old in a
23-year old body.  She says and does some really dumb things at times,
yet, as you say, she owns up to them.  She is one of the most
transparently emotional players I can remember.

I agree. "Gullible openness and honesty" describes her perfectly. It's
amazing she's made it to F4. Owning her dumb moves has bought her a
relatively easy ride to the end. I can't recall her ever being seriously
targeted.

Post by Rick
If Rachel somehow gets "fired" out and we have a finale of Teeny, Sue
and Sam, I wonder if there would be enough good will from mainly the
female jury members to give her the win?

I don't think so. Rachel and Gen would likely vote for Sam as would
Sierra. Caroline would vote for Sue.

Post by Rick
If nothing else, we could see all three finalists getting votes if
that's the final three we end up with.

I was going to say no votes for Teeny but she and Sol were apparently a
lot closer than the edit showed. So, I think you're right that in that
case every finalist would get at least one vote.

[Zeppo]

Post by Brian Smith
I was surprised that Rachel told Sue about her HII.

Rachel has a good heart as shown by her willingness to get up early
and wander around in the half light just to stop Leatherface from digging
for an immunity object that she was never going to find. That said
a lot about her character.

Post by Brian Smith
A drunk Teeny told Sue in front of Gen that Gen’s HII is real. Has Teeny
done anything right in the game?

Well, to be fair, she has excelled at getting drunk whenever possible.
Good for her!

Post by Brian Smith
This stacking challenge looked brutal. Rachel won immunity and likely
the game at the same time.

Survivor has done variations of this challenge in earlier seasons.
IMO, the swimming/digging preliminaries were completely
unnecessary as the stacking was the real challenge.

Post by Brian Smith
As far as I’m concerned, Sam and Gen messed up big time not working
together to target Teeny’s self-doubt about the game. Sam telling Teeny
that Gen’s idol is fake was a smart move but then gen should have told
her that Sam was lying to put a lot of doubt in Teeny’s mind. She did
have a lot of doubt in her mind but it was wasted when they didn’t vote
for her.

Interesting point. I think Sam played it right. He knew the votes were
going to be put on him, and, in order to survive TC, he had to play
hard ball which meant betraying Genevieve.

If that whole sequence actually played out as shown, Christeenie, Sue, and
Rachel probably couldn’t have played it much worse. All three of them, as a
group, should have demanded to see what Genevieve actually had, and asked
her about the whereabouts of the parchment that would have come with the
alleged immunity item. The fact that they were prepared to vote at F5 based
on the possibility that one of the favourites to win the game had an
advantage
that only one of them had actually seen was very poor game play IMO.

Post by Brian Smith
Gen did her best to survive but it was a lost cause when she and Sam
voted for each other. Not saying that it would have saved them, but it
was worth a shot.
In the end, Gen was booted by a 3–2 vote. She and
Teeny voted for Sam. FYI, Tenny said on X that the vote was planned that
way.

She was probably drunk when she wrote that. Multiple times at TC, we
were shown subtitled conversations between Christeenie and Rachel
in which Rachel was adamant that she thought Genevieve’s immunity
item was real. At some point, she clearly changed her mind, but there
was no indication that she, Christeenie, and Leatherface had a voting
plan.

[Brian Smith]

Post by Zeppo

Post by Brian Smith
I was surprised that Rachel told Sue about her HII.

Rachel has a good heart as shown by her willingness to get up early
and wander around in the half light just to stop Leatherface from digging
for an immunity object that she was never going to find. That said
a lot about her character.

Rachel does have a very good character but this is a game that involves
deceit, etc. as well as $1 million.

Post by Zeppo

Post by Brian Smith
A drunk Teeny told Sue in front of Gen that Gen’s HII is real. Has Teeny
done anything right in the game?

Well, to be fair, she has excelled at getting drunk whenever possible.
Good for her!

lol

Post by Zeppo

Post by Brian Smith
This stacking challenge looked brutal. Rachel won immunity and likely
the game at the same time.

Survivor has done variations of this challenge in earlier seasons.
IMO, the swimming/digging preliminaries were completely
unnecessary as the stacking was the real challenge.

I can't recall them ever having to stand on a wobbly plank when doing
the stacking. That's what made the challenge so hard.

Post by Zeppo

Post by Brian Smith
As far as I’m concerned, Sam and Gen messed up big time not working
together to target Teeny’s self-doubt about the game. Sam telling Teeny
that Gen’s idol is fake was a smart move but then gen should have told
her that Sam was lying to put a lot of doubt in Teeny’s mind. She did
have a lot of doubt in her mind but it was wasted when they didn’t vote
for her.

Interesting point. I think Sam played it right. He knew the votes were
going to be put on him, and, in order to survive TC, he had to play
hard ball which meant betraying Genevieve.

Turns out Sam didn't betray Gen. There's a great deleted scene that
shows them talking about the vote. He tells her he's going to vote for
her and she basically gives her approval saying that "if they think it's
real they're going to put votes on you." Sam says he wanted to do fire
against Gen for the million dollars but "Rachel won't lose."

Post by Zeppo
If that whole sequence actually played out as shown, Christeenie, Sue, and
Rachel probably couldn’t have played it much worse. All three of them, as a
group, should have demanded to see what Genevieve actually had, and asked
her about the whereabouts of the parchment that would have come with the
alleged immunity item. The fact that they were prepared to vote at F5 based
on the possibility that one of the favourites to win the game had an
advantage
that only one of them had actually seen was very poor game play IMO.

I thought someone did ask Gen about the note last episode and she either
said she lost it or destroyed it. It might have been Teeny who asked her.

Post by Zeppo

Post by Brian Smith
Gen did her best to survive but it was a lost cause when she and Sam
voted for each other. Not saying that it would have saved them, but it
was worth a shot.
In the end, Gen was booted by a 3–2 vote. She and
Teeny voted for Sam. FYI, Tenny said on X that the vote was planned that
way.

She was probably drunk when she wrote that. Multiple times at TC, we
were shown subtitled conversations between Christeenie and Rachel
in which Rachel was adamant that she thought Genevieve’s immunity
item was real. At some point, she clearly changed her mind, but there
was no indication that she, Christeenie, and Leatherface had a voting
plan.

More than likely decided at the last minute. Neither Sue or Rachel have
corrected her so it must be true.

[Zeppo]

Post by Brian Smith
I can't recall them ever having to stand on a wobbly plank when doing
the stacking. That's what made the challenge so hard.

The name of the challenge is “Stacked Up”. The wobbly board has
always been part of the challenge with one exception. In S45, it was
replaced by a series of trip wires. You might remember that Jake
lost his cool and trashed the trip wire apparatus earning him a tongue
lashing from Probst.

Post by Brian Smith

Post by Zeppo

Post by Brian Smith
As far as I’m concerned, Sam and Gen messed up big time not working
together to target Teeny’s self-doubt about the game. Sam telling Teeny
that Gen’s idol is fake was a smart move but then gen should have told
her that Sam was lying to put a lot of doubt in Teeny’s mind. She did
have a lot of doubt in her mind but it was wasted when they didn’t vote
for her.

Interesting point. I think Sam played it right. He knew the votes were
going to be put on him, and, in order to survive TC, he had to play
hard ball which meant betraying Genevieve.

Turns out Sam didn't betray Gen. There's a great deleted scene that
shows them talking about the vote.

Oh yes he did. That deleted scene was a conversation that took place
AFTER Sam had told Christeenie that Genevieve’s immunity bangle was
a fake. Sam had that talk with Genevieve because he felt guilty that
he had betrayed her.

Post by Brian Smith
I thought someone did ask Gen about the note last episode and she either
said she lost it or destroyed it. It might have been Teeny who asked her.

It was. Genevieve said that she had buried the parchment, and that she
would go and dig it up if Christeenie wanted to see it. I can’t imagine
what she would have done if Christeenie had taken her up on her offer.
But...bottom line...there appeared to be a lot of crappy game play
leading up to the F5 TC. They probably got the right person out but,
IMO, it would be a better F4 if Genevieve was in it.

From my perspective, the departure of Andy and Genevieve has set
up what is likely to be a Rachel coronation against very weak
competition. However, I was thinking the same thing about Cassidy,
Carson, and Charlie, and look what happened to each of them. :-(

[Rick]

Post by Zeppo

Post by Brian Smith
I can't recall them ever having to stand on a wobbly plank when doing
the stacking. That's what made the challenge so hard.

The name of the challenge is “Stacked Up”. The wobbly board has
always been part of the challenge with one exception. In S45, it was
replaced by a series of trip wires. You might remember that Jake
lost his cool and trashed the trip wire apparatus earning him a tongue
lashing from Probst.

Post by Brian Smith

Post by Zeppo

Post by Brian Smith
As far as I’m concerned, Sam and Gen messed up big time not working
together to target Teeny’s self-doubt about the game. Sam telling Teeny
that Gen’s idol is fake was a smart move but then gen should have told
her that Sam was lying to put a lot of doubt in Teeny’s mind. She did
have a lot of doubt in her mind but it was wasted when they didn’t vote
for her.

Interesting point. I think Sam played it right. He knew the votes were
going to be put on him, and, in order to survive TC, he had to play
hard ball which meant betraying Genevieve.

Turns out Sam didn't betray Gen. There's a great deleted scene that
shows them talking about the vote.

Oh yes he did. That deleted scene was a conversation that took place
AFTER Sam had told Christeenie that Genevieve’s immunity bangle was
a fake. Sam had that talk with Genevieve because he felt guilty that
he had betrayed her.

Post by Brian Smith
I thought someone did ask Gen about the note last episode and she either
said she lost it or destroyed it. It might have been Teeny who asked her.

It was. Genevieve said that she had buried the parchment, and that she
would go and dig it up if Christeenie wanted to see it. I can’t imagine
what she would have done if Christeenie had taken her up on her offer.
But...bottom line...there appeared to be a lot of crappy game play
leading up to the F5 TC. They probably got the right person out but,
IMO, it would be a better F4 if Genevieve was in it.
From my perspective, the departure of Andy and Genevieve has set
up what is likely to be a Rachel coronation against very weak
competition. However, I was thinking the same thing about Cassidy,
Carson, and Charlie, and look what happened to each of them. :-(

But in fairness, Gabler, Yam Yam and Kenzie all had significantly better
resumes than anyone in the Teeny-Sue-Sam group.

[Brian Smith]

Post by Zeppo

Post by Brian Smith
I can't recall them ever having to stand on a wobbly plank when doing
the stacking. That's what made the challenge so hard.

The name of the challenge is “Stacked Up”. The wobbly board has
always been part of the challenge with one exception. In S45, it was
replaced by a series of trip wires. You might remember that Jake
lost his cool and trashed the trip wire apparatus earning him a tongue
lashing from Probst.

I remember the Jake incident well. Probst should have booted him from
the game for what he did. I'll have to go back and watch past seasons of
that challenge because I don't recall the stacking part to ever be as
hard as it was this season.

Post by Zeppo

Post by Brian Smith

Post by Zeppo

Post by Brian Smith
As far as I’m concerned, Sam and Gen messed up big time not working
together to target Teeny’s self-doubt about the game. Sam telling Teeny
that Gen’s idol is fake was a smart move but then gen should have told
her that Sam was lying to put a lot of doubt in Teeny’s mind. She did
have a lot of doubt in her mind but it was wasted when they didn’t vote
for her.

Interesting point. I think Sam played it right. He knew the votes were
going to be put on him, and, in order to survive TC, he had to play
hard ball which meant betraying Genevieve.

Turns out Sam didn't betray Gen. There's a great deleted scene that
shows them talking about the vote.

Oh yes he did. That deleted scene was a conversation that took place
AFTER Sam had told Christeenie that Genevieve’s immunity bangle was
a fake. Sam had that talk with Genevieve because he felt guilty that
he had betrayed her.

I thought you meant the vote itself. Anyway, in that deleted scene Gen
tells Sam she already knew that he betrayed her and was okay with it.
It's too bad we weren't shown how those two connected so much.

IIRC, Maria went out at F5 last season. What a difference between her
and Gen!

Post by Zeppo

Post by Brian Smith
I thought someone did ask Gen about the note last episode and she either
said she lost it or destroyed it. It might have been Teeny who asked her.

It was. Genevieve said that she had buried the parchment, and that she
would go and dig it up if Christeenie wanted to see it. I can’t imagine
what she would have done if Christeenie had taken her up on her offer.
But...bottom line...there appeared to be a lot of crappy game play
leading up to the F5 TC. They probably got the right person out but,
IMO, it would be a better F4 if Genevieve was in it.

That's right about the note. Gullible Teeny bought what Gen told her
without a second thought. Yes, they got the right person out and yes, F4
would have been much better with Gen and without Teeny. Teeny's openly
admit that she's had no idea what's going on at multiple TCs, so how is
she can convince the jury she controlled the game and deserves to win?

Post by Zeppo
From my perspective, the departure of Andy and Genevieve has set
up what is likely to be a Rachel coronation against very weak
competition. However, I was thinking the same thing about Cassidy,
Carson, and Charlie, and look what happened to each of them. :-(

Charlie's jury management wasn't the best and being associated with
Maria didn't help. Thank God business stealing Carson didn't win.
Cassidy was screwed over by a bitter jury.

[Zeppo]

Post by Brian Smith
That's right about the note. Gullible Teeny bought what Gen told her
without a second thought. Yes, they got the right person out and yes, F4
would have been much better with Gen and without Teeny. Teeny's openly
admit that she's had no idea what's going on at multiple TCs, so how is
she can convince the jury she controlled the game and deserves to win?

Christeeny will not be a factor in E14, but there remains an outside
possibility that Sue might pull a surprise out of her leathery old body.
It is highly likely that the F4 immunity challenge will be an endurance
contest of some sort, and Sue has shown the ability to do well in
challenges of that type (eg. she defeated all the other women at the
E08 IC). It is not entirely inconceivable that Sue might win at F4, and
select Sam and Rachel to make fire. Now, that would be interesting.

Post by Brian Smith
Charlie's jury management wasn't the best and being associated with
Maria didn't help. Thank God business stealing Carson didn't win.
Cassidy was screwed over by a bitter jury.

IMO, each of those three people were the best players in their seasons,
but, for various reasons, did not win. So, even though Rachel looks to
me to be a lock to end up the winner of S47, there are still a couple of
obstacles that could potentially trip her up.

[Brian Smith]

Post by Zeppo

Post by Brian Smith
That's right about the note. Gullible Teeny bought what Gen told her
without a second thought. Yes, they got the right person out and yes, F4
would have been much better with Gen and without Teeny. Teeny's openly
admit that she's had no idea what's going on at multiple TCs, so how is
she can convince the jury she controlled the game and deserves to win?

Christeeny will not be a factor in E14, but there remains an outside
possibility that Sue might pull a surprise out of her leathery old body.
It is highly likely that the F4 immunity challenge will be an endurance
contest of some sort, and Sue has shown the ability to do well in
challenges of that type (eg. she defeated all the other women at the
E08 IC). It is not entirely inconceivable that Sue might win at F4, and
select Sam and Rachel to make fire. Now, that would be interesting.

Sue winning F4 immunity is a real possibility. If she does that should
mean Teeny makes F3. Caroline made it sound like Sue was the fire person
after the merge. If Sue is confident making fire I can see her giving up
immunity to take on Rachel in fire. If Sue were to beat Rachel she would
have a shot at winning the game. If Sam were to beat Rachel in fire I
think he would win for sure.

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Post by Brian Smith
Charlie's jury management wasn't the best and being associated with
Maria didn't help. Thank God business stealing Carson didn't win.
Cassidy was screwed over by a bitter jury.

IMO, each of those three people were the best players in their seasons,
but, for various reasons, did not win. So, even though Rachel looks to
me to be a lock to end up the winner of S47, there are still a couple of
obstacles that could potentially trip her up.

I only see one obstacle for Rachel and that is fire. What other
obstacles are you seeing? The jury appears to love and respect her which
is not the case for the other three.

[Zeppo]

Post by Brian Smith
Sue winning F4 immunity is a real possibility. If she does that should
mean Teeny makes F3. Caroline made it sound like Sue was the fire person
after the merge. If Sue is confident making fire I can see her giving up
immunity to take on Rachel in fire. If Sue were to beat Rachel she would
have a shot at winning the game. If Sam were to beat Rachel in fire I
think he would win for sure.

If Sue wins F4 immunity, it would certainly be a bold move to put herself
against Rachel in the fire making face off, especially given the way some
players have been talking about how good Rachel has been at starting them.
However, with that said, a F3 of Sam, Leatherface, and Christeeny would
be as bad as the S44 finale IMO.

Post by Brian Smith
I only see one obstacle for Rachel and that is fire. What other
obstacles are you seeing?

I was considering the F4 immunity challenge and the fire making contest
as separate events. For example, poor Carson had to choke twice to
work himself out of the F3.

[Brian Smith]

Post by Zeppo

Post by Brian Smith
Sue winning F4 immunity is a real possibility. If she does that should
mean Teeny makes F3. Caroline made it sound like Sue was the fire person
after the merge. If Sue is confident making fire I can see her giving up
immunity to take on Rachel in fire. If Sue were to beat Rachel she would
have a shot at winning the game. If Sam were to beat Rachel in fire I
think he would win for sure.

If Sue wins F4 immunity, it would certainly be a bold move to put herself
against Rachel in the fire making face off, especially given the way some
players have been talking about how good Rachel has been at starting them.
However, with that said, a F3 of Sam, Leatherface, and Christeeny would
be as bad as the S44 finale IMO.

Post by Brian Smith
I only see one obstacle for Rachel and that is fire. What other
obstacles are you seeing?

I was considering the F4 immunity challenge and the fire making contest
as separate events. For example, poor Carson had to choke twice to
work himself out of the F3.

I see what you're saying. Rachel's been doing so well lately in
challenges that I kind of expect her to lose but win in fire. It would
be funny if Teeny won F4 immunity and chose Rachel to go to the end.

[Zeppo]

Post by Brian Smith
It would
be funny if Teeny won F4 immunity and chose Rachel to go to the end.

Christeeny has looked terrible in challenges all season long, and I don’t
expect that to change in E14. However, if the completely unexpected were
to happen, I could see her ruining any momentum she might have gained
by choosing Rachel to sit beside her at FTC. In “Teenie Talk”, that would
be the “Chef’s Kiss” on her time in Survivor.

[Rick]

Post by Zeppo

Post by Brian Smith
It would
be funny if Teeny won F4 immunity and chose Rachel to go to the end.

Christeeny has looked terrible in challenges all season long, and I don’t
expect that to change in E14. However, if the completely unexpected were
to happen, I could see her ruining any momentum she might have gained
by choosing Rachel to sit beside her at FTC. In “Teenie Talk”, that would
be the “Chef’s Kiss” on her time in Survivor.

That would actually be hilarious if she won the F4 immunity and elected
to take Rachel to F3.

It is worth noting that she DID vote for Rachel in the recent episode
when Rachel played her immunity idol which no one knew about. So I
think even she gets that Rachel is the strongest player in the game
right now. But Teeny "taking" Rachel to F3 would probably be the worst
final immunity choice since....ever?

Romeo took Maryanne to F3 in S42 and she ended up winning and Romeo got
zero votes. But that was a little different since Maryanne wasn't as
widely respected and feared as Rachel is. Ditto S41 when Xander took
Erika to F3 and she ended up winning with Xander getting 0 votes. Erika
too was a surprise winner that no one really saw coming. There are
other examples like this, but off-hand I can't recall a case where the
final immunity winner deliberately took someone to the finals who was so
widely regarded by everyone else as the strongest player for the season.

[Zeppo]

Post by Rick
There are
other examples like this, but off-hand I can't recall a case where the
final immunity winner deliberately took someone to the finals who was so
widely regarded by everyone else as the strongest player for the season.

S28. Woo won final immunity and could have taken Kass to FTC and
beaten her. Instead he chose Tony to sit beside him. Dumbass
decision!

[Rick]

Post by Zeppo

Post by Rick
There are
other examples like this, but off-hand I can't recall a case where the
final immunity winner deliberately took someone to the finals who was so
widely regarded by everyone else as the strongest player for the season.

S28. Woo won final immunity and could have taken Kass to FTC and
beaten her. Instead he chose Tony to sit beside him. Dumbass
decision!

I thought about that, but I've never been totally convinced Woo could
have out-talked a lawyer to win that finale. There is also S2 when
Colby brought Tina to F2 instead of Keith whom he would have beaten
easily. Guess hindsight is always 20-20.

[Zeppo]

Post by Rick

Post by Zeppo

Post by Rick
There are
other examples like this, but off-hand I can't recall a case where the
final immunity winner deliberately took someone to the finals who was so
widely regarded by everyone else as the strongest player for the season.

S28. Woo won final immunity and could have taken Kass to FTC and
beaten her. Instead he chose Tony to sit beside him. Dumbass
decision!

I thought about that, but I've never been totally convinced Woo could
have out-talked a lawyer to win that finale.

IIRC, at the reunion Probst did a poll of the jury members asking them
how they would have voted if the F2 had been Woo/Kass. The result
was heavily in favour of Woo. However, I have a certain amount of
skepticism concerning polls of this type which involve hypothetical
situations that may have occurred six months previously.

Post by Rick
There is also S2 when
Colby brought Tina to F2 instead of Keith whom he would have beaten
easily. Guess hindsight is always 20-20.

That was certainly controversial at the time, but Tina was not the dominant
player in S2 that Tony was in S28. Colby was widely expected to win that
season no matter who was sitting beside him.

[Rick]

Post by Zeppo

Post by Rick

Post by Zeppo

Post by Rick
There are
other examples like this, but off-hand I can't recall a case where the
final immunity winner deliberately took someone to the finals who was so
widely regarded by everyone else as the strongest player for the season.

S28. Woo won final immunity and could have taken Kass to FTC and
beaten her. Instead he chose Tony to sit beside him. Dumbass
decision!

I thought about that, but I've never been totally convinced Woo could
have out-talked a lawyer to win that finale.

IIRC, at the reunion Probst did a poll of the jury members asking them
how they would have voted if the F2 had been Woo/Kass. The result
was heavily in favour of Woo. However, I have a certain amount of
skepticism concerning polls of this type which involve hypothetical
situations that may have occurred six months previously.

Right, and there is also the fact that Kass didn't have a chance to make
her final pitch to the jury. As a lawyer trained in making closing
summations, I think she would have talked circles around Woo.

Post by Zeppo

Post by Rick
There is also S2 when
Colby brought Tina to F2 instead of Keith whom he would have beaten
easily. Guess hindsight is always 20-20.

That was certainly controversial at the time, but Tina was not the dominant
player in S2 that Tony was in S28. Colby was widely expected to win that
season no matter who was sitting beside him.

Agree. Colby was clearly dominant that season and Tina got lucky with
the jury getting unexpected votes from both Elisabeth and Alicia. But
there's little doubt Colby would have beaten Keith easily.

[Brian Smith]

Post by Rick

Post by Zeppo

Post by Rick

Post by Zeppo

Post by Rick
There are
other examples like this, but off-hand I can't recall a case where the
final immunity winner deliberately took someone to the finals who was so
widely regarded by everyone else as the strongest player for the season.

S28. Woo won final immunity and could have taken Kass to FTC and
beaten her. Instead he chose Tony to sit beside him. Dumbass
decision!

I thought about that, but I've never been totally convinced Woo could
have out-talked a lawyer to win that finale.

IIRC, at the reunion Probst did a poll of the jury members asking them
how they would have voted if the F2 had been Woo/Kass. The result
was heavily in favour of Woo. However, I have a certain amount of
skepticism concerning polls of this type which involve hypothetical
situations that may have occurred six months previously.

Right, and there is also the fact that Kass didn't have a chance to make
her final pitch to the jury.  As a lawyer trained in making closing
summations, I think she would have talked circles around Woo.

Post by Zeppo

Post by Rick
There is also S2 when
Colby brought Tina to F2 instead of Keith whom he would have beaten
easily. Guess hindsight is always 20-20.

That was certainly controversial at the time, but Tina was not the dominant
player in S2 that Tony was in S28. Colby was widely expected to win that
season no matter who was sitting beside him.

Agree.  Colby was clearly dominant that season and Tina got lucky with
the jury getting unexpected votes from both Elisabeth and Alicia.  But
there's little doubt Colby would have beaten Keith easily.

You never know. If Colby was widely expected to beat anyone then how did
he lose to Tina? In the early days we were totally at the mercy of the
edit and IMO, the edits were much more misleading than nowadays.

[Rick]

Post by Brian Smith

Post by Rick

Post by Zeppo

Post by Rick

Post by Zeppo

Post by Rick
There are
other examples like this, but off-hand I can't recall a case where the
final immunity winner deliberately took someone to the finals who was so
widely regarded by everyone else as the strongest player for the season.

S28. Woo won final immunity and could have taken Kass to FTC and
beaten her. Instead he chose Tony to sit beside him. Dumbass
decision!

I thought about that, but I've never been totally convinced Woo could
have out-talked a lawyer to win that finale.

IIRC, at the reunion Probst did a poll of the jury members asking them
how they would have voted if the F2 had been Woo/Kass. The result
was heavily in favour of Woo. However, I have a certain amount of
skepticism concerning polls of this type which involve hypothetical
situations that may have occurred six months previously.

Right, and there is also the fact that Kass didn't have a chance to
make her final pitch to the jury.  As a lawyer trained in making
closing summations, I think she would have talked circles around Woo.

Post by Zeppo

Post by Rick
There is also S2 when
Colby brought Tina to F2 instead of Keith whom he would have beaten
easily. Guess hindsight is always 20-20.

That was certainly controversial at the time, but Tina was not the dominant
player in S2 that Tony was in S28. Colby was widely expected to win that
season no matter who was sitting beside him.

Agree.  Colby was clearly dominant that season and Tina got lucky with
the jury getting unexpected votes from both Elisabeth and Alicia.  But
there's little doubt Colby would have beaten Keith easily.

You never know. If Colby was widely expected to beat anyone then how did
he lose to Tina? In the early days we were totally at the mercy of the
edit and IMO, the edits were much more misleading than nowadays.

It wasn't the edit. Colby won five consecutive immunity challenges and
they were the last five immunities of the season. You literally can't
get more dominant than that.

Tina played a low-key, in-the-background kind of game, and there was
nothing she did that would convey to the viewer that she was going to
beat Colby. It was clear she would get Keith's vote because they were
close in the game and Jerri's because she was mad at Colby. But the
votes she got from Alicia and especially Elisabeth were really
unexpected. She won 4-3.

[Rick]

Post by Zeppo

Post by Brian Smith
Sue winning F4 immunity is a real possibility. If she does that should
mean Teeny makes F3. Caroline made it sound like Sue was the fire person
after the merge. If Sue is confident making fire I can see her giving up
immunity to take on Rachel in fire. If Sue were to beat Rachel she would
have a shot at winning the game. If Sam were to beat Rachel in fire I
think he would win for sure.

If Sue wins F4 immunity, it would certainly be a bold move to put herself
against Rachel in the fire making face off, especially given the way some
players have been talking about how good Rachel has been at starting them.
However, with that said, a F3 of Sam, Leatherface, and Christeeny would
be as bad as the S44 finale IMO.

I agree a finale of Teeny, Sam and Sue would be the worst final three in
recent memory. But I'd still be pretty intrigued by it and would watch
just to see what happens.

Post by Zeppo

Post by Brian Smith
I only see one obstacle for Rachel and that is fire. What other
obstacles are you seeing?

I was considering the F4 immunity challenge and the fire making contest
as separate events. For example, poor Carson had to choke twice to
work himself out of the F3.

[Rick]

Post by Brian Smith

Post by Zeppo

Post by Brian Smith
That's right about the note. Gullible Teeny bought what Gen told her
without a second thought. Yes, they got the right person out and yes, F4
would have been much better with Gen and without Teeny. Teeny's openly
admit that she's had no idea what's going on at multiple TCs, so how is
she can convince the jury she controlled the game and deserves to win?

Christeeny will not be a factor in E14, but there remains an outside
possibility that Sue might pull a surprise out of her leathery old body.
It is highly likely that the F4 immunity challenge will be an endurance
contest of some sort, and Sue has shown the ability to do well in
challenges of that type (eg. she defeated all the other women at the
E08 IC). It is not entirely inconceivable that Sue might win at F4, and
select Sam and Rachel to make fire. Now, that would be interesting.

Sue winning F4 immunity is a real possibility. If she does that should
mean Teeny makes F3. Caroline made it sound like Sue was the fire person
after the merge. If Sue is confident making fire I can see her giving up
immunity to take on Rachel in fire. If Sue were to beat Rachel she would
have a shot at winning the game. If Sam were to beat Rachel in fire I
think he would win for sure.

I agree it would be a bold move for anyone beating Rachel in F4 immunity
to then take themselves to fire against Rachel. And if they then beat
Rachel in the fire challenge, it would definitely give them an advantage
in F3.

In the case of Sue, we know she is a pilot and owns her own flight
school. As far as I can recall, she has never talked about this with
the other players. I wonder if she is "saving" this as some form of
Final 3 review, along with revealing her age. And I wonder how a jury
would react to knowing she kept such interesting information to herself
during the season. Does that help her by showing there was much more to
her than met the eye, or does it hurt her, revealing that she was
deliberately deceptive about herself?

We've seen many cases where people withheld important facts about
themselves (including several players who were lawyers but kept that
kept info secret). But other than Jeremy and Adam (who revealed
information about Jeremy's wife's pregnancy and Adam's mother's health)
I can't recall the last time a player actually won by doing a dramatic
reveal about themselves, especially about their profession.

I agree that if Sam wins F4 immunity and takes himself to fire with
Rachel and wins fire, he probably wins the game.

The most interesting and perhaps unlikely scenario is if Teeny somehow
wins the F4 immunity. takes herself to fire against Rachel and somehow
beats Rachel, does she then have a shot to win the game against Sue and
Ben? Especially if Sue does her dramatic "I lied about my age and am
actually a pilot" bit. At that point can Teeny make a statement like "I
am a flawed human but I was always totally honest with everyone and
didn't try to lie or deceive like other players (glancing at Sue). With
me, what you see is always what you got. Oh, and by the way, I'm
non-binary, not that there's anything wrong with that."

I'm assuming, of course, that if Rachel wins the immunity, she would
have no reason to put herself into fire, given how favored she seemed to
be with the jury.

Post by Brian Smith

Post by Zeppo

Post by Brian Smith
Charlie's jury management wasn't the best and being associated with
Maria didn't help. Thank God business stealing Carson didn't win.
Cassidy was screwed over by a bitter jury.

IMO, each of those three people were the best players in their seasons,
but, for various reasons, did not win. So, even though Rachel looks to
me to be a lock to end up the winner of S47, there are still a couple of
obstacles that could potentially trip her up.

I only see one obstacle for Rachel and that is fire. What other
obstacles are you seeing? The jury appears to love and respect her which
is not the case for the other three.

[Brian Smith]

Post by Rick

Post by Brian Smith

Post by Zeppo

Post by Brian Smith
That's right about the note. Gullible Teeny bought what Gen told her
without a second thought. Yes, they got the right person out and yes, F4
would have been much better with Gen and without Teeny. Teeny's openly
admit that she's had no idea what's going on at multiple TCs, so how is
she can convince the jury she controlled the game and deserves to win?

Christeeny will not be a factor in E14, but there remains an outside
possibility that Sue might pull a surprise out of her leathery old body.
It is highly likely that the F4 immunity challenge will be an endurance
contest of some sort, and Sue has shown the ability to do well in
challenges of that type (eg. she defeated all the other women at the
E08 IC). It is not entirely inconceivable that Sue might win at F4, and
select Sam and Rachel to make fire. Now, that would be interesting.

Sue winning F4 immunity is a real possibility. If she does that should
mean Teeny makes F3. Caroline made it sound like Sue was the fire
person after the merge. If Sue is confident making fire I can see her
giving up immunity to take on Rachel in fire. If Sue were to beat
Rachel she would have a shot at winning the game. If Sam were to beat
Rachel in fire I think he would win for sure.

I agree it would be a bold move for anyone beating Rachel in F4 immunity
to then take themselves to fire against Rachel.  And if they then beat
Rachel in the fire challenge, it would definitely give them an advantage
in F3.
In the case of Sue, we know she is a pilot and owns her own flight
school.  As far as I can recall, she has never talked about this with
the other players.  I wonder if she is "saving" this as some form of
Final 3 review, along with revealing her age.  And I wonder how a jury
would react to knowing she kept such interesting information to herself
during the season.  Does that help her by showing there was much more to
her than met the eye, or does it hurt her, revealing that she was
deliberately deceptive about herself?

I don't think any of them have bought Sue's lie about her age. It was an
unnecessary lie as far as I'm concerned. Revealing that she's a pilot
and owns a flight school might backfire on her. I can see Caroline being
hurt as she probably told Sue everything about her life. The jury's
reaction might also depend on whether or not other players revealed what
they do for a living, etc. Did Gen ever tell them that she's a corporate
lawyer? My sense is that we're long past the days where someone's wealth
or lack thereof matters to juries.

Post by Rick
We've seen many cases where people withheld important facts about
themselves (including several players who were lawyers but kept that
kept info secret).  But other than Jeremy and Adam (who revealed
information about Jeremy's wife's pregnancy and Adam's mother's health)
I can't recall the last time a player actually won by doing a dramatic
reveal about themselves, especially about their profession.

But did Jeremy and Adam win because of those reveals?

Post by Rick
I agree that if Sam wins F4 immunity and takes himself to fire with
Rachel and wins fire, he probably wins the game.
The most interesting and perhaps unlikely scenario is if Teeny somehow
wins the F4 immunity. takes herself to fire against Rachel and somehow
beats Rachel, does she then have a shot to win the game against Sue and
Ben?  Especially if Sue does her dramatic "I lied about my age and am
actually a pilot" bit.  At that point can Teeny make a statement like "I
am a flawed human but I was always totally honest with everyone and
didn't try to lie or deceive like other players (glancing at Sue). With
me, what you see is always what you got. Oh, and by the way, I'm non-
binary, not that there's anything wrong with that."

That would definitely be a crazy ending. Teeny could win F4 immunity but
I don't think she's strategic and gutsy enough to then go up against
Rachel in fire. She seems to have convinced herself that Rachel's
unbeatable. If she gambled and did beat Rachel in fire, I think the jury
would consider voting for her a lot more seriously than if she didn't.

Post by Rick
I'm assuming, of course, that if Rachel wins the immunity, she would
have no reason to put herself into fire, given how favored she seemed to
be with the jury.

A win at F4 would be a lock on the game for Rachel. She's too smart and
well-spoken to blow it at TC.