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S47 Ep11 Spoilers and Comments (11/27/2024)
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Brian Smith
2024-11-27 23:17:54 UTC
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Tonight's episode is titled "Flipping the Win Switch." In a sneak peek
clip, Kyle tells us that he's capable of lying, etc. He explains to Gen
why he voted to boot Gabe. Clip comes across as if Kyle's about to get
serious when it comes to the strategic part of the game.
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Brian
Rick
2024-11-27 23:46:59 UTC
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Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Flipping the Win Switch." In a sneak peek
clip, Kyle tells us that he's capable of lying, etc. He explains to Gen
why he voted to boot Gabe. Clip comes across as if Kyle's about to get
serious when it comes to the strategic part of the game.
Maybe it means flipping the Win Switch Off. If Kyle loses immunity,
it's hard to see him surviving tonight.
Brian Smith
2024-11-28 00:18:48 UTC
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Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Flipping the Win Switch." In a sneak peek
clip, Kyle tells us that he's capable of lying, etc. He explains to
Gen why he voted to boot Gabe. Clip comes across as if Kyle's about to
get serious when it comes to the strategic part of the game.
Maybe it means flipping the Win Switch Off.  If Kyle loses immunity,
it's hard to see him surviving tonight.
I agree.

Do you happen to know who still has any powers left? I know Rachel still
has her HII but does anyone else have a power?
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Brian
shawn
2024-11-28 00:41:47 UTC
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On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 17:18:48 -0700, Brian Smith
Post by Brian Smith
Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Flipping the Win Switch." In a sneak peek
clip, Kyle tells us that he's capable of lying, etc. He explains to
Gen why he voted to boot Gabe. Clip comes across as if Kyle's about to
get serious when it comes to the strategic part of the game.
Maybe it means flipping the Win Switch Off.  If Kyle loses immunity,
it's hard to see him surviving tonight.
I agree.
Do you happen to know who still has any powers left? I know Rachel still
has her HII but does anyone else have a power?
I think that's it. They kept the powers limited as the season has gone
on.
Rick
2024-11-28 00:52:46 UTC
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Post by Brian Smith
Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Flipping the Win Switch." In a sneak
peek clip, Kyle tells us that he's capable of lying, etc. He explains
to Gen why he voted to boot Gabe. Clip comes across as if Kyle's
about to get serious when it comes to the strategic part of the game.
Maybe it means flipping the Win Switch Off.  If Kyle loses immunity,
it's hard to see him surviving tonight.
I agree.
Do you happen to know who still has any powers left? I know Rachel still
has her HII but does anyone else have a power?
Sue has an idol also, the one that was splattered in paint. And she
hasn't told anyone about it, though Caroline thinks she figured it out.

BTW, the reason Sue hasn't told anyone is apparently because she
promised her daughter that if she found an idol, she would keep it
secret from everyone.
Brian Smith
2024-11-28 04:13:06 UTC
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Post by Brian Smith
Tonight's episode is titled "Flipping the Win Switch." In a sneak peek
clip, Kyle tells us that he's capable of lying, etc. He explains to Gen
why he voted to boot Gabe. Clip comes across as if Kyle's about to get
serious when it comes to the strategic part of the game.
After watching tonight’s episode, I understand why Rachel plugged it the
other day. Nearly everything went her way tonight. I was impressed with
the episode. They made good use of the 90 minutes.

At the start of the episode, we got confirmation that Sue was not told
about the Gabe vote. She was not happy and felt betrayed by Caroline.
Caroline sensed this and told us she thinks she made a big mistake. She
smartly explained to Sue her reasoning which was she did not want to be
dragged to the end and end up withe nothing on her resume. She also told
Sue that she’s her number one, which made Sue happy. She also said
Survivor’s been her dream since she was 5 years old. She told us about
her ADHD and feeling stupid because she could never complete things.
It’s why she had to vote Gabe out.

Alliance of 5

Andy, Teeny, and Rachel were at the water well where they formed an
alliance. Sue and Caroline then showed up and they formed an alliance of
five so they could control votes. Rachel told us she wants an alliance
that doesn’t include Sam or Kyle or Gen. IIRC, she proposed taking out
Gen next, but Sue spoke up and said she wanted Kyle out first. Teeny
said they could do that and that if Kyle won immunity, she could decide
who to target instead. In fact, Teeny said Sue could drive the next
three votes, which surprised me.

Journey

A boat showed up with a message for the players. The note said they had
to choose one player to go on a journey and that if they couldn’t decide
they would have to draw rocks and whoever got the purple rock would be
the one to go. Gen said she wanted to go and so did Sam. Then Rachel
said she wanted to go telling us that she didn’t want either one of them
to get an advantage. So, they drew rocks, and Rachel got the purple one.

I would rate this journey as the most creative ever. Instead of being
taken to an island, Rachel was taken to a barge in the middle of the
ocean. On the barge was a table with a number of slots filled with
different color balls. Attached to the table were ropes that were
connected to weights. To win, Rachel had to slide the balls around to
get each color in their own slot before the ropes unspun and the table
went flying into the ocean. She ended up winning with what looked like
about two seconds to spare. She won a “Block a Vote” advantage which she
can use secretly up to F6.

When Rachel got back to camp, she told them about the journey truthfully
but lied about winning. She told them that she lost her vote. Sam didn’t
buy her story. Rachel told Sue and Caroline she won, which made Sue very
happy. Rachel then told Andy and Teeny which made Teeny very happy.

Immunity Challenge

This was the classic stacking blocks that spell IMMUNITY challenge. This
was well-edited and looked like it went on for a while. Rachel ended up
winning with Kyle right behind her. Rachel said she channeled her
husband who’s very patient. She said she’s the exact opposite. If they
ever do another Blood vs. Water season, they’ll have to cast Rachel and
her husband. He sounds like he would be a good player.

Back at Camp

Kyle of course was a target from the start. Andy and Rachel pushed to
take out Gen. Andy said the odds of Kyle winning his way to the end are
6.25%. Caroline basically told us that Andy’s full of shit with his
calculations.

Tribal Council

Gen was pretty quiet during TC and looked very worried. I must admit I
thought she was going home until Caroline reminded her of something she
said earlier in the game. It was Gen’s comment about good players being
able to see through the noise. Caroline said she’s been repeating that
to herself every day since.

In the end Kyle was booted by a 6–1–1 vote. For some reason Kyle voted
for Teeny which seemed to shock her. Andy voted for Gen. Kyle was a
total class act when he left. Based on comments from the jury, getting
rid of him was probably a very smart move.

Next Episode

Looks like Sue, Teeny, Caroline, and Rachel want to form a women’s
alliance. Also looks like Gen might be trying to make a fake idol.
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Brian
Zeppo
2024-11-28 22:30:49 UTC
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Post by Brian Smith
I was impressed with
the episode. They made good use of the 90 minutes.
I agree. It was one of the best episodes of the season so far.
Even the TC conversation was more interesting than usual.
Post by Brian Smith
At the start of the episode, we got confirmation that Sue was not told
about the Gabe vote. She was not happy and felt betrayed by Caroline.
Caroline sensed this and told us she thinks she made a big mistake. She
smartly explained to Sue her reasoning which was she did not want to be
dragged to the end and end up withe nothing on her resume. She also told
Sue that she’s her number one, which made Sue happy.
Caroline also told Sue that she wanted to be in the FINAL TWO with her.
I think that she simply mis-spoke, although some of the people on “Sucks”
were making a big deal of it.
Post by Brian Smith
In fact, Teeny said Sue could drive the next
three votes, which surprised me.
I don’t recall her saying that, but maybe I just missed it.
Post by Brian Smith
Gen said she wanted to go and so did Sam. Then Rachel
said she wanted to go telling us that she didn’t want either one of them
to get an advantage.
That was really shrewd thinking on Rachel’s part. In terms of
the risk/reward balance, she felt that the risk of Sam or Genevieve
getting an advantage was of greater concern than her potentially
losing her own vote.
Post by Brian Smith
I would rate this journey as the most creative ever.
I agree. The way the challenge played out was really cool.
Post by Brian Smith
She ended up winning with what looked like
about two seconds to spare.
I give her huge props for coming away from that with the
advantage in hand. IMO, there’s no way that anybody else
still in the game would have had the ability to block the
unspooling cables from their mind enough to solve the
puzzle. It was an amazing performance.
Post by Brian Smith
When Rachel got back to camp, she told them about the journey truthfully
but lied about winning.
That was really her only option. The fact that Probst does not read all of
the votes in many cases would prevent somebody like Sam from vote
counting, and possibly catch her in the lie.
Post by Brian Smith
This was the classic stacking blocks that spell IMMUNITY challenge. This
was well-edited and looked like it went on for a while. Rachel ended up
winning with Kyle right behind her.
I was really impressed by the way the challenge was edited and shot.
When Probst went on “auto-blather”, I decided to turn the sound off
which actually made the whole experience so much better. On occasion,
a camera would catch Probst yammering away about something or other,
and it was such a relief not to have to listen to him.
Post by Brian Smith
Kyle of course was a target from the start. Andy and Rachel pushed to
take out Gen. Andy said the odds of Kyle winning his way to the end are
6.25%. Caroline basically told us that Andy’s full of shit with his
calculations.
This was not a great episode for fans of Andy. For the first time since very
early in the game, we heard players talking about what they really thought of
him, and their impressions were far from flattering. I had kind of hoped
that,
by working on building one-to-one relationships with so many of the players,
he had improved his status within the tribe to a level that might at least
come close to matching the degree of hubris that he constantly shows
in his confessionals. However, it seemed pretty clear that he is not
considered to be a serious player by either Caroline or Genevieve. The
scene in which he was trying to explain the numerical probability of Kyle
winning four more challenges showed him in a very poor light. Also, it
appeared that his desire to convince the group to vote for Genevieve was
based solely on the fact that he was offended by what she had said to
Caroline about him. Leading up to the tribal council, he needed to take a
step back and fall in line with the other four people in his voting block.
Post by Brian Smith
In the end Kyle was booted by a 6–1–1 vote. For some reason Kyle voted
for Teeny which seemed to shock her. Andy voted for Gen. Kyle was a
total class act when he left. Based on comments from the jury, getting
rid of him was probably a very smart move.
I totally agree, and would have been shocked if this crew had taken a
second pass on Kyle when he was unprotected. It is true that Kyle’s game
was pretty one dimensional, but he was very well-liked by everybody on
the tribe except for Leatherface. I could envision a scenario in which Kyle
wins his way to F2/3 and, depending who he is sitting beside, wins the
game based solely on the fact that he is well-liked and respected. OTOH,
Genevieve is not a threat to win immunities, and has little chance of
convincing any members of the block of five into voting with her.
Brian Smith
2024-11-28 23:48:38 UTC
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Post by Zeppo
Post by Brian Smith
I was impressed with
the episode. They made good use of the 90 minutes.
I agree. It was one of the best episodes of the season so far.
Even the TC conversation was more interesting than usual.
Post by Brian Smith
At the start of the episode, we got confirmation that Sue was not told
about the Gabe vote. She was not happy and felt betrayed by Caroline.
Caroline sensed this and told us she thinks she made a big mistake. She
smartly explained to Sue her reasoning which was she did not want to be
dragged to the end and end up withe nothing on her resume. She also told
Sue that she’s her number one, which made Sue happy.
Caroline also told Sue that she wanted to be in the FINAL TWO with her.
I think that she simply mis-spoke, although some of the people on “Sucks”
were making a big deal of it.
Wow! I didn't catch that but based on the schedule I'm pretty sure it's
another F3.
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Post by Brian Smith
In fact, Teeny said Sue could drive the next
three votes, which surprised me.
I don’t recall her saying that, but maybe I just missed it.
She did. I was surprised that she would just hand Sue that kind of power
in front of the others.
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Post by Brian Smith
Gen said she wanted to go and so did Sam. Then Rachel
said she wanted to go telling us that she didn’t want either one of them
to get an advantage.
That was really shrewd thinking on Rachel’s part. In terms of
the risk/reward balance, she felt that the risk of Sam or Genevieve
getting an advantage was of greater concern than her potentially
losing her own vote.
I agree. Rachel thinking that fast on her feet was impressive. I'm sure
she also factored in that if she did lose her vote she always had her
HII to protect her.
Post by Zeppo
Post by Brian Smith
I would rate this journey as the most creative ever.
I agree. The way the challenge played out was really cool.
Whoever came up with that deserves a raise. Do you know if Jeff's been
asked how long Rachel had to solve that puzzle?
Post by Zeppo
Post by Brian Smith
She ended up winning with what looked like
about two seconds to spare.
I give her huge props for coming away from that with the
advantage in hand. IMO, there’s no way that anybody else
still in the game would have had the ability to block the
unspooling cables from their mind enough to solve the
puzzle. It was an amazing performance.
Caroline for sure would have been distracted. I noticed in the IC she
got distracted by Jeff's commentary the first time she had seven letters
stacked. If she had stayed focused she might have won that challenge
relatively quickly.

Rachel's performance was amazing. Probably the most impressive win in ages.
Post by Zeppo
Post by Brian Smith
When Rachel got back to camp, she told them about the journey truthfully
but lied about winning.
That was really her only option. The fact that Probst does not read all of
the votes in many cases would prevent somebody like Sam from vote
counting, and possibly catch her in the lie.
Do you think they're not shown all the votes?
Post by Zeppo
Post by Brian Smith
This was the classic stacking blocks that spell IMMUNITY challenge. This
was well-edited and looked like it went on for a while. Rachel ended up
winning with Kyle right behind her.
I was really impressed by the way the challenge was edited and shot.
When Probst went on “auto-blather”, I decided to turn the sound off
which actually made the whole experience so much better. On occasion,
a camera would catch Probst yammering away about something or other,
and it was such a relief not to have to listen to him.
He was annoying during that challenge which seemed to go on for quite
some time. At times it sounded like he was trying to jinx the person in
the lead.
Post by Zeppo
Post by Brian Smith
Kyle of course was a target from the start. Andy and Rachel pushed to
take out Gen. Andy said the odds of Kyle winning his way to the end are
6.25%. Caroline basically told us that Andy’s full of shit with his
calculations.
This was not a great episode for fans of Andy. For the first time since very
early in the game, we heard players talking about what they really thought of
him, and their impressions were far from flattering. I had kind of hoped
that,
by working on building one-to-one relationships with so many of the players,
he had improved his status within the tribe to a level that might at least
come close to matching the degree of hubris that he constantly shows
in his confessionals. However, it seemed pretty clear that he is not
considered to be a serious player by either Caroline or Genevieve. The
scene in which he was trying to explain the numerical probability of Kyle
winning four more challenges showed him in a very poor light. Also, it
appeared that his desire to convince the group to vote for Genevieve was
based solely on the fact that he was offended by what she had said to
Caroline about him. Leading up to the tribal council, he needed to take a
step back and fall in line with the other four people in his voting block.
Andy's sense of reality is not matching the edit. He thinks he's
controlling the game but I don't recall one vote that's he orchestrated.
Possibly Sierra's but it sounds like she would have been the boot choice
regardless of what he said.

Andy's too focused on payback. It'll be interesting to see if he admits
to Gen that he voted to boot her.
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Post by Brian Smith
In the end Kyle was booted by a 6–1–1 vote. For some reason Kyle voted
for Teeny which seemed to shock her. Andy voted for Gen. Kyle was a
total class act when he left. Based on comments from the jury, getting
rid of him was probably a very smart move.
I totally agree, and would have been shocked if this crew had taken a
second pass on Kyle when he was unprotected. It is true that Kyle’s game
was pretty one dimensional, but he was very well-liked by everybody on
the tribe except for Leatherface. I could envision a scenario in which Kyle
wins his way to F2/3 and, depending who he is sitting beside, wins the
game based solely on the fact that he is well-liked and respected. OTOH,
Genevieve is not a threat to win immunities, and has little chance of
convincing any members of the block of five into voting with her.
Hopefully at one point we find out why Sue hates him so much.

If Kyle had made it F3 he would have had a good shot at winning. I don't
think he would beat Rachel. Rachel seems very well-liked and has a great
balanced resume which I think she could sell to the jury. I also think
Gen would beat Kyle. She might not be as well-liked but she's respected.
She's also more than capable of selling her game to the jury.
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Brian
Rick
2024-11-29 01:47:33 UTC
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Post by Brian Smith
Post by Zeppo
Post by Brian Smith
I was impressed with
the episode. They made good use of the 90 minutes.
I agree. It was one of the best episodes of the season so far.
Even the TC conversation was more interesting than usual.
Post by Brian Smith
At the start of the episode, we got confirmation that Sue was not told
about the Gabe vote. She was not happy and felt betrayed by Caroline.
Caroline sensed this and told us she thinks she made a big mistake. She
smartly explained to Sue her reasoning which was she did not want to be
dragged to the end and end up withe nothing on her resume. She also told
Sue that she’s her number one, which made Sue happy.
Caroline also told Sue that she wanted to be in the FINAL TWO with her.
I think that she simply mis-spoke, although some of the people on “Sucks”
were making a big deal of it.
Wow! I didn't catch that but based on the schedule I'm pretty sure it's
another F3.
I noticed that two and wondered about it. If she just misspoke, I'm
surprised they just didn't edit that out.
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Post by Zeppo
Post by Brian Smith
In fact, Teeny said Sue could drive the next
three votes, which surprised me.
I don’t recall her saying that, but maybe I just missed it.
She did. I was surprised that she would just hand Sue that kind of power
in front of the others.
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Post by Brian Smith
Gen said she wanted to go and so did Sam. Then Rachel
said she wanted to go telling us that she didn’t want either one of them
to get an advantage.
That was really shrewd thinking on Rachel’s part. In terms of
the risk/reward balance, she felt that the risk of Sam or Genevieve
getting an advantage was of greater concern than her potentially
losing her own vote.
I agree. Rachel thinking that fast on her feet was impressive. I'm sure
she also factored in that if she did lose her vote she always had her
HII to protect her.
Post by Zeppo
Post by Brian Smith
I would rate this journey as the most creative ever.
I agree. The way the challenge played out was really cool.
Whoever came up with that deserves a raise. Do you know if Jeff's been
asked how long Rachel had to solve that puzzle?
Post by Zeppo
Post by Brian Smith
She ended up winning with what looked like
about two seconds to spare.
I give her huge props for coming away from that with the
advantage in hand. IMO, there’s no way that anybody else
still in the game would have had the ability to block the
unspooling cables from their mind enough to solve the
puzzle. It was an amazing performance.
Caroline for sure would have been distracted. I noticed in the IC she
got distracted by Jeff's commentary the first time she had seven letters
stacked. If she had stayed focused she might have won that challenge
relatively quickly.
Rachel's performance was amazing. Probably the most impressive win in ages.
Post by Zeppo
Post by Brian Smith
When Rachel got back to camp, she told them about the journey truthfully
but lied about winning.
That was really her only option. The fact that Probst does not read all of
the votes in many cases would prevent somebody like Sam from vote
counting, and possibly catch her in the lie.
Do you think they're not shown all the votes?
It has been established multiple times that Jeff does not show all the
votes. They always show all the votes of whoever gets the second
highest number of votes. Then they basically show the minimum number of
votes of the person voted out. So, for example, if the vote is 7-2,
they show the two votes of the second highest vote getter, then five
votes of the person voted out, since that's the minimum needed. Two
votes are not shown. If the vote is 5-2-1, they show the three votes of
the second and third most vote getters, then four votes of the person
voted out, because in this case, that's enough.
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Post by Zeppo
Post by Brian Smith
This was the classic stacking blocks that spell IMMUNITY challenge. This
was well-edited and looked like it went on for a while. Rachel ended up
winning with Kyle right behind her.
I was really impressed by the way the challenge was edited and shot.
When Probst went on “auto-blather”, I decided to turn the sound off
which actually made the whole experience so much better. On occasion,
a camera would catch Probst yammering away about something or other,
and it was such a relief not to have to listen to him.
He was annoying during that challenge which seemed to go on for quite
some time. At times it sounded like he was trying to jinx the person in
the lead.
A lot of times I just mute the sound when Jeff starts to get too
annoying. In this case, I just skipped to the end of the challenge,
because I know form experience it will take a while to watch.
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Post by Zeppo
Post by Brian Smith
Kyle of course was a target from the start. Andy and Rachel pushed to
take out Gen. Andy said the odds of Kyle winning his way to the end are
6.25%. Caroline basically told us that Andy’s full of shit with his
calculations.
This was not a great episode for fans of Andy. For the first time since very
early in the game, we heard players talking about what they really thought of
him, and their impressions were far from flattering. I had kind of hoped
that,
by working on building one-to-one relationships with so many of the players,
he had improved his status within the tribe to a level that might at least
come close to matching the degree of hubris that he constantly shows
in his confessionals. However, it seemed pretty clear that he is not
considered to be a serious player by either Caroline or Genevieve. The
scene in which he was trying to explain the numerical probability of Kyle
winning four more challenges showed him in a very poor light. Also, it
appeared that his desire to convince the group to vote for Genevieve was
based solely on the fact that he was offended by what she had said to
Caroline about him. Leading up to the tribal council, he needed to take a
step back and fall in line with the other four people in his voting block.
Andy's sense of reality is not matching the edit. He thinks he's
controlling the game but I don't recall one vote that's he orchestrated.
Possibly Sierra's but it sounds like she would have been the boot choice
regardless of what he said.
Andy's too focused on payback. It'll be interesting to see if he admits
to Gen that he voted to boot her.
I still say Andy is getting a loser edit. They spent a lot of time
showing Andy bragging about controlling the vote, then it turns out no
one votes with him. I think he would be getting a different edit if he
actually turns out to be the winner. Based on the edits we are seeing,
I have to think Rachel or possibly Teeny or Caroline are the likely
winners in that order. I can't see Gen, Sam, Sue or Andy possibly winning.
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Post by Brian Smith
In the end Kyle was booted by a 6–1–1 vote. For some reason Kyle voted
for Teeny which seemed to shock her. Andy voted for Gen. Kyle was a
total class act when he left. Based on comments from the jury, getting
rid of him was probably a very smart move.
I totally agree, and would have been shocked if this crew had taken a
second pass on Kyle when he was unprotected. It is true that Kyle’s game
was pretty one dimensional, but he was very well-liked by everybody on
the tribe except for Leatherface. I could envision a scenario in which Kyle
wins his way to F2/3 and, depending who he is sitting beside, wins the
game based solely on the fact that he is well-liked and respected. OTOH,
Genevieve is not a threat to win immunities, and has little chance of
convincing any members of the block of five into voting with her.
Hopefully at one point we find out why Sue hates him so much.
We know why Sue hated Kyle so much. She said multiple times it was
because he wrote her name down. Along with TK, Kyle is the only person
who has written Sue's name down.
Post by Brian Smith
If Kyle had made it F3 he would have had a good shot at winning. I don't
think he would beat Rachel. Rachel seems very well-liked and has a great
balanced resume which I think she could sell to the jury. I also think
Gen would beat Kyle. She might not be as well-liked but she's respected.
She's also more than capable of selling her game to the jury.
Brian Smith
2024-11-29 04:22:10 UTC
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Post by Zeppo
Post by Brian Smith
I was impressed with
the episode. They made good use of the 90 minutes.
I agree. It was one of the best episodes of the season so far.
Even the TC conversation was more interesting than usual.
Post by Brian Smith
At the start of the episode, we got confirmation that Sue was not told
about the Gabe vote. She was not happy and felt betrayed by Caroline.
Caroline sensed this and told us she thinks she made a big mistake. She
smartly explained to Sue her reasoning which was she did not want to be
dragged to the end and end up withe nothing on her resume. She also told
Sue that she’s her number one, which made Sue happy.
Caroline also told Sue that she wanted to be in the FINAL TWO with her.
I think that she simply mis-spoke, although some of the people on “Sucks”
were making a big deal of it.
Wow! I didn't catch that but based on the schedule I'm pretty sure
it's another F3.
I noticed that two and wondered about it.  If she just misspoke, I'm
surprised they just didn't edit that out.
Probably included it to show that Caroline's super loyal to Sue. If some
people get super excited thinking it could be a F2 season that would be
a nice bonus for the show.
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When Rachel got back to camp, she told them about the journey truthfully
but lied about winning.
That was really her only option. The fact that Probst does not read all of
the votes in many cases would prevent somebody like Sam from vote
counting, and possibly catch her in the lie.
Do you think they're not shown all the votes?
It has been established multiple times that Jeff does not show all the
votes.  They always show all the votes of whoever gets the second
highest number of votes.  Then they basically show the minimum number of
votes of the person voted out.  So, for example, if the vote is 7-2,
they show the two votes of the second highest vote getter, then five
votes of the person voted out, since that's the minimum needed.  Two
votes are not shown.  If the vote is 5-2-1, they show the three votes of
the second and third most vote getters, then four votes of the person
voted out, because in this case, that's enough.
I know that's how it is on TV but is it that way at TC? For example, if
someone asked Jeff to show all the votes would he do so just to prove
there's nothing funny going on?
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This was the classic stacking blocks that spell IMMUNITY challenge. This
was well-edited and looked like it went on for a while. Rachel ended up
winning with Kyle right behind her.
I was really impressed by the way the challenge was edited and shot.
When Probst went on “auto-blather”, I decided to turn the sound off
which actually made the whole experience so much better. On occasion,
a camera would catch Probst yammering away about something or other,
and it was such a relief not to have to listen to him.
He was annoying during that challenge which seemed to go on for quite
some time. At times it sounded like he was trying to jinx the person
in the lead.
A lot of times I just mute the sound when Jeff starts to get too
annoying.  In this case, I just skipped to the end of the challenge,
because I know form experience it will take a while to watch.
This challenge was worth watching. Lots of drama as a number of times
people got very close only to have their blocks fall.
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Kyle of course was a target from the start. Andy and Rachel pushed to
take out Gen. Andy said the odds of Kyle winning his way to the end are
6.25%. Caroline basically told us that Andy’s full of shit with his
calculations.
This was not a great episode for fans of Andy. For the first time since very
early in the game, we heard players talking about what they really thought of
him, and their impressions were far from flattering. I had kind of hoped
that,
by working on building one-to-one relationships with so many of the players,
he had improved his status within the tribe to a level that might at least
come close to matching the degree of hubris that he constantly shows
in his confessionals. However, it seemed pretty clear that he is not
considered to be a serious player by either Caroline or Genevieve. The
scene in which he was trying to explain the numerical probability of Kyle
winning four more challenges showed him in a very poor light. Also, it
appeared that his desire to convince the group to vote for Genevieve was
based solely on the fact that he was offended by what she had said to
Caroline about him. Leading up to the tribal council, he needed to take a
step back and fall in line with the other four people in his voting block.
Andy's sense of reality is not matching the edit. He thinks he's
controlling the game but I don't recall one vote that's he
orchestrated. Possibly Sierra's but it sounds like she would have been
the boot choice regardless of what he said.
Andy's too focused on payback. It'll be interesting to see if he
admits to Gen that he voted to boot her.
I still say Andy is getting a loser edit.  They spent a lot of time
showing Andy bragging about controlling the vote, then it turns out no
one votes with him.  I think he would be getting a different edit if he
actually turns out to be the winner.  Based on the edits we are seeing,
I have to think Rachel or possibly Teeny or Caroline are the likely
winners in that order.  I can't see Gen, Sam, Sue or Andy possibly winning.
What has Teeny done that would impress the jury? Caroline's edit hasn't
been strong enough for her to win. I could easily see Gen winning.
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In the end Kyle was booted by a 6–1–1 vote. For some reason Kyle voted
for Teeny which seemed to shock her. Andy voted for Gen. Kyle was a
total class act when he left. Based on comments from the jury, getting
rid of him was probably a very smart move.
I totally agree, and would have been shocked if this crew had taken a
second pass on Kyle when he was unprotected. It is true that Kyle’s game
was pretty one dimensional, but he was very well-liked by everybody on
the tribe except for Leatherface. I could envision a scenario in which Kyle
wins his way to F2/3 and, depending who he is sitting beside, wins the
game based solely on the fact that he is well-liked and respected. OTOH,
Genevieve is not a threat to win immunities, and has little chance of
convincing any members of the block of five into voting with her.
Hopefully at one point we find out why Sue hates him so much.
We know why Sue hated Kyle so much.  She said multiple times it was
because he wrote her name down.  Along with TK, Kyle is the only person
who has written Sue's name down.
Did Sue think she would go the entire game with no votes cast against
her? That rarely happens. Has it ever happened?
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shawn
2024-11-29 09:15:11 UTC
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I was impressed with
the episode. They made good use of the 90 minutes.
I agree. It was one of the best episodes of the season so far.
Even the TC conversation was more interesting than usual.
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At the start of the episode, we got confirmation that Sue was not told
about the Gabe vote. She was not happy and felt betrayed by Caroline.
Caroline sensed this and told us she thinks she made a big mistake. She
smartly explained to Sue her reasoning which was she did not want to be
dragged to the end and end up withe nothing on her resume. She also told
Sue that she’s her number one, which made Sue happy.
Caroline also told Sue that she wanted to be in the FINAL TWO with her.
I think that she simply mis-spoke, although some of the people on “Sucks”
were making a big deal of it.
Wow! I didn't catch that but based on the schedule I'm pretty sure
it's another F3.
I noticed that two and wondered about it.  If she just misspoke, I'm
surprised they just didn't edit that out.
Probably included it to show that Caroline's super loyal to Sue. If some
people get super excited thinking it could be a F2 season that would be
a nice bonus for the show.
I doubt that is going to happen as most people (including myself)
didn't notice the comment in passing.
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When Rachel got back to camp, she told them about the journey truthfully
but lied about winning.
That was really her only option. The fact that Probst does not read all of
the votes in many cases would prevent somebody like Sam from vote
counting, and possibly catch her in the lie.
Do you think they're not shown all the votes?
It has been established multiple times that Jeff does not show all the
votes.  They always show all the votes of whoever gets the second
highest number of votes.  Then they basically show the minimum number of
votes of the person voted out.  So, for example, if the vote is 7-2,
they show the two votes of the second highest vote getter, then five
votes of the person voted out, since that's the minimum needed.  Two
votes are not shown.  If the vote is 5-2-1, they show the three votes of
the second and third most vote getters, then four votes of the person
voted out, because in this case, that's enough.
I know that's how it is on TV but is it that way at TC? For example, if
someone asked Jeff to show all the votes would he do so just to prove
there's nothing funny going on?
I've always assumed that what we see on TV is what the players are
experiencing in terms of the votes. So while we get the 'behind the
scenes' bit after the TC that shows how each person voted, the players
only get the bits with Jeff that we also see. So no player knows how
every vote went unless it's needed to figure out who goes home that
night.
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This was the classic stacking blocks that spell IMMUNITY challenge. This
was well-edited and looked like it went on for a while. Rachel ended up
winning with Kyle right behind her.
I was really impressed by the way the challenge was edited and shot.
When Probst went on “auto-blather”, I decided to turn the sound off
which actually made the whole experience so much better. On occasion,
a camera would catch Probst yammering away about something or other,
and it was such a relief not to have to listen to him.
He was annoying during that challenge which seemed to go on for quite
some time. At times it sounded like he was trying to jinx the person
in the lead.
A lot of times I just mute the sound when Jeff starts to get too
annoying.  In this case, I just skipped to the end of the challenge,
because I know form experience it will take a while to watch.
This challenge was worth watching. Lots of drama as a number of times
people got very close only to have their blocks fall.
I agree that it was worth watching but because we seem to get non-stop
Jeff it gets annoying to listen too. I truly hope he's not really
talking that much during the challenge as would fully expect Jeff's
been told to shut up more than once, if so. (Impossible for us to tell
as that challenge clearly went on much longer than what we saw.)
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Kyle of course was a target from the start. Andy and Rachel pushed to
take out Gen. Andy said the odds of Kyle winning his way to the end are
6.25%. Caroline basically told us that Andy’s full of shit with his
calculations.
This was not a great episode for fans of Andy. For the first time since very
early in the game, we heard players talking about what they really thought of
him, and their impressions were far from flattering. I had kind of hoped
that,
by working on building one-to-one relationships with so many of the players,
he had improved his status within the tribe to a level that might at least
come close to matching the degree of hubris that he constantly shows
in his confessionals. However, it seemed pretty clear that he is not
considered to be a serious player by either Caroline or Genevieve. The
scene in which he was trying to explain the numerical probability of Kyle
winning four more challenges showed him in a very poor light.
The thing is he was right about the statistical odds. The problem is
that while mathematically correct that does not take into account the
physical aspect of the game. Andy's idea assumes every player is the
same and has the same chance of winning a challenge, but that's
clearly not the case.
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appeared that his desire to convince the group to vote for Genevieve was
based solely on the fact that he was offended by what she had said to
Caroline about him. Leading up to the tribal council, he needed to take a
step back and fall in line with the other four people in his voting block.
Andy's sense of reality is not matching the edit. He thinks he's
controlling the game but I don't recall one vote that's he
orchestrated. Possibly Sierra's but it sounds like she would have been
the boot choice regardless of what he said.
Andy's too focused on payback. It'll be interesting to see if he
admits to Gen that he voted to boot her.
I still say Andy is getting a loser edit.  They spent a lot of time
showing Andy bragging about controlling the vote, then it turns out no
one votes with him.  I think he would be getting a different edit if he
actually turns out to be the winner.  Based on the edits we are seeing,
I have to think Rachel or possibly Teeny or Caroline are the likely
winners in that order.  I can't see Gen, Sam, Sue or Andy possibly winning.
What has Teeny done that would impress the jury? Caroline's edit hasn't
been strong enough for her to win. I could easily see Gen winning.
At this point only Rachel and Gen are being set up as winners.
Caroline clearly wants to be in that category but hasn't made the
moves to help her win at this time.
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In the end Kyle was booted by a 6–1–1 vote. For some reason Kyle voted
for Teeny which seemed to shock her. Andy voted for Gen. Kyle was a
total class act when he left. Based on comments from the jury, getting
rid of him was probably a very smart move.
I totally agree, and would have been shocked if this crew had taken a
second pass on Kyle when he was unprotected. It is true that Kyle’s game
was pretty one dimensional, but he was very well-liked by everybody on
the tribe except for Leatherface. I could envision a scenario in which Kyle
wins his way to F2/3 and, depending who he is sitting beside, wins the
game based solely on the fact that he is well-liked and respected. OTOH,
Genevieve is not a threat to win immunities, and has little chance of
convincing any members of the block of five into voting with her.
Hopefully at one point we find out why Sue hates him so much.
We know why Sue hated Kyle so much.  She said multiple times it was
because he wrote her name down.  Along with TK, Kyle is the only person
who has written Sue's name down.
Did Sue think she would go the entire game with no votes cast against
her? That rarely happens. Has it ever happened?
Some people react poorly to having their name written down and
continue to hold a grudge long after the vote. Sue seems to be one of
those people.
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2024-11-29 19:57:47 UTC
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I was impressed with
the episode. They made good use of the 90 minutes.
I agree. It was one of the best episodes of the season so far.
Even the TC conversation was more interesting than usual.
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At the start of the episode, we got confirmation that Sue was not told
about the Gabe vote. She was not happy and felt betrayed by Caroline.
Caroline sensed this and told us she thinks she made a big mistake. She
smartly explained to Sue her reasoning which was she did not want to be
dragged to the end and end up withe nothing on her resume. She also told
Sue that she’s her number one, which made Sue happy.
Caroline also told Sue that she wanted to be in the FINAL TWO with her.
I think that she simply mis-spoke, although some of the people on “Sucks”
were making a big deal of it.
Wow! I didn't catch that but based on the schedule I'm pretty sure
it's another F3.
I noticed that two and wondered about it.  If she just misspoke, I'm
surprised they just didn't edit that out.
Probably included it to show that Caroline's super loyal to Sue. If some
people get super excited thinking it could be a F2 season that would be
a nice bonus for the show.
I doubt that is going to happen as most people (including myself)
didn't notice the comment in passing.
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When Rachel got back to camp, she told them about the journey truthfully
but lied about winning.
That was really her only option. The fact that Probst does not read all of
the votes in many cases would prevent somebody like Sam from vote
counting, and possibly catch her in the lie.
Do you think they're not shown all the votes?
It has been established multiple times that Jeff does not show all the
votes.  They always show all the votes of whoever gets the second
highest number of votes.  Then they basically show the minimum number of
votes of the person voted out.  So, for example, if the vote is 7-2,
they show the two votes of the second highest vote getter, then five
votes of the person voted out, since that's the minimum needed.  Two
votes are not shown.  If the vote is 5-2-1, they show the three votes of
the second and third most vote getters, then four votes of the person
voted out, because in this case, that's enough.
I know that's how it is on TV but is it that way at TC? For example, if
someone asked Jeff to show all the votes would he do so just to prove
there's nothing funny going on?
I've always assumed that what we see on TV is what the players are
experiencing in terms of the votes. So while we get the 'behind the
scenes' bit after the TC that shows how each person voted, the players
only get the bits with Jeff that we also see. So no player knows how
every vote went unless it's needed to figure out who goes home that
night.
If I was playing I'd ask to see all votes. Sometimes you can by the
handwriting, spelling, "emojis," etc. who cast the votes. That's
valuable info.
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This was the classic stacking blocks that spell IMMUNITY challenge. This
was well-edited and looked like it went on for a while. Rachel ended up
winning with Kyle right behind her.
I was really impressed by the way the challenge was edited and shot.
When Probst went on “auto-blather”, I decided to turn the sound off
which actually made the whole experience so much better. On occasion,
a camera would catch Probst yammering away about something or other,
and it was such a relief not to have to listen to him.
He was annoying during that challenge which seemed to go on for quite
some time. At times it sounded like he was trying to jinx the person
in the lead.
A lot of times I just mute the sound when Jeff starts to get too
annoying.  In this case, I just skipped to the end of the challenge,
because I know form experience it will take a while to watch.
This challenge was worth watching. Lots of drama as a number of times
people got very close only to have their blocks fall.
I agree that it was worth watching but because we seem to get non-stop
Jeff it gets annoying to listen too. I truly hope he's not really
talking that much during the challenge as would fully expect Jeff's
been told to shut up more than once, if so. (Impossible for us to tell
as that challenge clearly went on much longer than what we saw.)
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Kyle of course was a target from the start. Andy and Rachel pushed to
take out Gen. Andy said the odds of Kyle winning his way to the end are
6.25%. Caroline basically told us that Andy’s full of shit with his
calculations.
This was not a great episode for fans of Andy. For the first time since very
early in the game, we heard players talking about what they really thought of
him, and their impressions were far from flattering. I had kind of hoped
that,
by working on building one-to-one relationships with so many of the players,
he had improved his status within the tribe to a level that might at least
come close to matching the degree of hubris that he constantly shows
in his confessionals. However, it seemed pretty clear that he is not
considered to be a serious player by either Caroline or Genevieve. The
scene in which he was trying to explain the numerical probability of Kyle
winning four more challenges showed him in a very poor light.
The thing is he was right about the statistical odds. The problem is
that while mathematically correct that does not take into account the
physical aspect of the game. Andy's idea assumes every player is the
same and has the same chance of winning a challenge, but that's
clearly not the case.
Very true. It's hard to factor in luck and the elements.
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appeared that his desire to convince the group to vote for Genevieve was
based solely on the fact that he was offended by what she had said to
Caroline about him. Leading up to the tribal council, he needed to take a
step back and fall in line with the other four people in his voting block.
Andy's sense of reality is not matching the edit. He thinks he's
controlling the game but I don't recall one vote that's he
orchestrated. Possibly Sierra's but it sounds like she would have been
the boot choice regardless of what he said.
Andy's too focused on payback. It'll be interesting to see if he
admits to Gen that he voted to boot her.
I still say Andy is getting a loser edit.  They spent a lot of time
showing Andy bragging about controlling the vote, then it turns out no
one votes with him.  I think he would be getting a different edit if he
actually turns out to be the winner.  Based on the edits we are seeing,
I have to think Rachel or possibly Teeny or Caroline are the likely
winners in that order.  I can't see Gen, Sam, Sue or Andy possibly winning.
What has Teeny done that would impress the jury? Caroline's edit hasn't
been strong enough for her to win. I could easily see Gen winning.
At this point only Rachel and Gen are being set up as winners.
Caroline clearly wants to be in that category but hasn't made the
moves to help her win at this time.
Which is probably another reason why they showed the scene with her
talking to Sue about the Gabe vote.
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In the end Kyle was booted by a 6–1–1 vote. For some reason Kyle voted
for Teeny which seemed to shock her. Andy voted for Gen. Kyle was a
total class act when he left. Based on comments from the jury, getting
rid of him was probably a very smart move.
I totally agree, and would have been shocked if this crew had taken a
second pass on Kyle when he was unprotected. It is true that Kyle’s game
was pretty one dimensional, but he was very well-liked by everybody on
the tribe except for Leatherface. I could envision a scenario in which Kyle
wins his way to F2/3 and, depending who he is sitting beside, wins the
game based solely on the fact that he is well-liked and respected. OTOH,
Genevieve is not a threat to win immunities, and has little chance of
convincing any members of the block of five into voting with her.
Hopefully at one point we find out why Sue hates him so much.
We know why Sue hated Kyle so much.  She said multiple times it was
because he wrote her name down.  Along with TK, Kyle is the only person
who has written Sue's name down.
Did Sue think she would go the entire game with no votes cast against
her? That rarely happens. Has it ever happened?
Some people react poorly to having their name written down and
continue to hold a grudge long after the vote. Sue seems to be one of
those people.
In other words, Sue will be a bitter juror if she doesn't make it to the
end? Since posting, I've seen a few people speculate that Sue hates Kyle
because he always talks about how poor he was growing up. It's possible
Sue wants to use her own tough early years as part of her pitch to the
jury and doesn't want to compete against a similar story. There's also
the Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb insult that Kyle made about her and
Caroline. I could see Sue being pissed off about that.
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Zeppo
2024-11-29 21:48:09 UTC
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Did Sue think she would go the entire game with no votes cast against
her? That rarely happens. Has it ever happened?
Yes it has. IIRC, the following winners received no votes in any of the
tribal councils in which they participated:

Tina Wesson in S2
Ethan Zohn in S3
Brian Heidik in S5
Sandra Diaz in her first season
Tom Westman in his first season
J.T. Thomas in his first season
John Cochran in his second season
Natalie Anderson in her first season
Nick Wilson in “D. Vs G.”
Tony Vlachos in “W. at W.”

There may be others who I have forgotten about, but I’m quite
certain that nobody has done it in the “new era”.
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2024-11-29 22:12:58 UTC
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Did Sue think she would go the entire game with no votes cast against
her? That rarely happens. Has it ever happened?
Yes it has. IIRC, the following winners received no votes in any of the
Tina Wesson in S2
Ethan Zohn in S3
Brian Heidik in S5
Sandra Diaz in her first season
Tom Westman in his first season
J.T. Thomas in his first season
John Cochran in his second season
Natalie Anderson in her first season
Nick Wilson in “D. Vs G.”
Tony Vlachos in “W. at W.”
There may be others who I have forgotten about, but I’m quite
certain that nobody has done it in the “new era”.
I obviously don't pay attention to that stat. If Nick were to play again
he'd probably be the first out. Interesting that two of the people on
your list have only played once. I'd say most fans (hardcore) would love
to see Tom and Heidik play again.
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Rick
2024-11-29 22:46:24 UTC
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Did Sue think she would go the entire game with no votes cast against
her? That rarely happens. Has it ever happened?
Yes it has. IIRC, the following winners received no votes in any of the
Tina Wesson in S2
Ethan Zohn in S3
Brian Heidik in S5
Sandra Diaz in her first season
Tom Westman in his first season
J.T. Thomas in his first season
John Cochran in his second season
Natalie Anderson in her first season
Nick Wilson in “D. Vs G.”
Tony Vlachos in “W. at W.”
There may be others who I have forgotten about, but I’m quite
certain that nobody has done it in the “new era”.
I obviously don't pay attention to that stat. If Nick were to play again
he'd probably be the first out. Interesting that two of the people on
your list have only played once. I'd say most fans (hardcore) would love
to see Tom and Heidik play again.
Nick DID play again in Winners at War and surprisingly made it to final
seven.

Westman also played a second time on Heroes vs. Villains but was fifth
voted out.

I don't know anyone chomping at the bit to see attempted puppy killer
and former porn star Brian Heidik play again. Everything about Heidik
spells sleazy and I don't think there is any way he would even be
invited to return.
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2024-11-29 23:25:03 UTC
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Did Sue think she would go the entire game with no votes cast against
her? That rarely happens. Has it ever happened?
Yes it has. IIRC, the following winners received no votes in any of the
Tina Wesson in S2
Ethan Zohn in S3
Brian Heidik in S5
Sandra Diaz in her first season
Tom Westman in his first season
J.T. Thomas in his first season
John Cochran in his second season
Natalie Anderson in her first season
Nick Wilson in “D. Vs G.”
Tony Vlachos in “W. at W.”
There may be others who I have forgotten about, but I’m quite
certain that nobody has done it in the “new era”.
I obviously don't pay attention to that stat. If Nick were to play
again he'd probably be the first out. Interesting that two of the
people on your list have only played once. I'd say most fans
(hardcore) would love to see Tom and Heidik play again.
Nick DID play again in Winners at War and surprisingly made it to final
seven.
I meant now. Post his political "stuff."
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Westman also played a second time on Heroes vs. Villains but was fifth
voted out.
I'm losing it! I totally forgot about that.
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I don't know anyone chomping at the bit to see attempted puppy killer
and former porn star Brian Heidik play again.  Everything about Heidik
spells sleazy and I don't think there is any way he would even be
invited to return.
He won't be invited to play again but that shouldn't take away from the
great game he played. Big deal if he was a former porn star. Didn't Ozzy
do some as well? People still love him.
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Rick
2024-11-30 01:35:03 UTC
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Did Sue think she would go the entire game with no votes cast against
her? That rarely happens. Has it ever happened?
Yes it has. IIRC, the following winners received no votes in any of the
Tina Wesson in S2
Ethan Zohn in S3
Brian Heidik in S5
Sandra Diaz in her first season
Tom Westman in his first season
J.T. Thomas in his first season
John Cochran in his second season
Natalie Anderson in her first season
Nick Wilson in “D. Vs G.”
Tony Vlachos in “W. at W.”
There may be others who I have forgotten about, but I’m quite
certain that nobody has done it in the “new era”.
I obviously don't pay attention to that stat. If Nick were to play
again he'd probably be the first out. Interesting that two of the
people on your list have only played once. I'd say most fans
(hardcore) would love to see Tom and Heidik play again.
Nick DID play again in Winners at War and surprisingly made it to
final seven.
I meant now. Post his political "stuff."
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Westman also played a second time on Heroes vs. Villains but was fifth
voted out.
I'm losing it! I totally forgot about that.
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I don't know anyone chomping at the bit to see attempted puppy killer
and former porn star Brian Heidik play again.  Everything about Heidik
spells sleazy and I don't think there is any way he would even be
invited to return.
He won't be invited to play again but that shouldn't take away from the
great game he played. Big deal if he was a former porn star. Didn't Ozzy
do some as well? People still love him.
That's valid - but Ozzy was a well-liked player who, as far as we know,
never did anything on the level of trying to kill a puppy dog and
claiming he thought it was a coyote.

Even ignoring the porn stuff, Brian was a sleazy player who acted very
much like the used car salesman he was at the time he did the show. He
kept his acting background (which, in addition to his porn work, also
included legitimate work on TV shows like Days of Our Lives) a secret,
and he also went out of his way to cover up his personal wealth, which
was much more of an issue in the early years than it is now. When
videos from home were played, you could see Brian's embarrassment as he
realized the video showed how comfortable and opulent his home life was.

The actual family visit his season was one of the most awkward things
I've ever seen. Brian's family member was his wife, who came across as
every bit as fake and materialistic as he. There was no obvious warmth
or affection between them. The family members were supposed to help
their relatives in a gross food eating challenge, and Brian's wife
immediately wrinkled her nose and said something like "I'm out, dude"
and didn't even try to participate. The other family members all did.

Most importantly, while Brian's game play was impressive, he was part of
a cast which some people think is the worst of any Survivor season.
Amazingly, no one from his season (including himself) ever appeared on
another season with the exception of Shii Ann. In case anyone has
forgotten how bad the cast was, I would mention one name as a reminder -
Ghandia. If you watched the season, you'll know who I'm talking about.

Brian ended up winning very narrowly (4-3) over a guy named Clay Jordan,
who may literally be the worst runner-up in the history of the show. In
the episode where Ghandia got voted out, Clay incurred the wrath of Jeff
when he wrote "Denver Diva" instead of Ghandia's name, prompting Jeff to
effectively say on air don't ever do that again.

It was a terrible, terrible season, and I seriously wonder how well
Brian would have done in any other season. If he barely beats a fellow
sleazeball like Clay Jordan 4-3, I seriously wonder if he would even
have made the finals on any other year.
Brian Smith
2024-11-30 04:18:02 UTC
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Did Sue think she would go the entire game with no votes cast against
her? That rarely happens. Has it ever happened?
Yes it has. IIRC, the following winners received no votes in any of the
Tina Wesson in S2
Ethan Zohn in S3
Brian Heidik in S5
Sandra Diaz in her first season
Tom Westman in his first season
J.T. Thomas in his first season
John Cochran in his second season
Natalie Anderson in her first season
Nick Wilson in “D. Vs G.”
Tony Vlachos in “W. at W.”
There may be others who I have forgotten about, but I’m quite
certain that nobody has done it in the “new era”.
I obviously don't pay attention to that stat. If Nick were to play
again he'd probably be the first out. Interesting that two of the
people on your list have only played once. I'd say most fans
(hardcore) would love to see Tom and Heidik play again.
Nick DID play again in Winners at War and surprisingly made it to
final seven.
I meant now. Post his political "stuff."
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Westman also played a second time on Heroes vs. Villains but was
fifth voted out.
I'm losing it! I totally forgot about that.
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I don't know anyone chomping at the bit to see attempted puppy killer
and former porn star Brian Heidik play again.  Everything about
Heidik spells sleazy and I don't think there is any way he would even
be invited to return.
He won't be invited to play again but that shouldn't take away from
the great game he played. Big deal if he was a former porn star.
Didn't Ozzy do some as well? People still love him.
That's valid - but Ozzy was a well-liked player who, as far as we know,
never did anything on the level of trying to kill a puppy dog and
claiming he thought it was a coyote.
Even ignoring the porn stuff, Brian was a sleazy player who acted very
much like the used car salesman he was at the time he did the show.  He
kept his acting background (which, in addition to his porn work, also
included legitimate work on TV shows like Days of Our Lives) a secret,
and he also went out of his way to cover up his personal wealth, which
was much more of an issue in the early years than it is now.  When
videos from home were played, you could see Brian's embarrassment as he
realized the video showed how comfortable and opulent his home life was.
The actual family visit his season was one of the most awkward things
I've ever seen. Brian's family member was his wife, who came across as
every bit as fake and materialistic as he.  There was no obvious warmth
or affection between them.  The family members were supposed to help
their relatives in a gross food eating challenge, and Brian's wife
immediately wrinkled her nose and said something like "I'm out, dude"
and didn't even try to participate.  The other family members all did.
Most importantly, while Brian's game play was impressive, he was part of
a cast which some people think is the worst of any Survivor season.
Amazingly, no one from his season (including himself) ever appeared on
another season with the exception of Shii Ann.  In case anyone has
forgotten how bad the cast was, I would mention one name as a reminder -
Ghandia.  If you watched the season, you'll know who I'm talking about.
Brian ended up winning very narrowly (4-3) over a guy named Clay Jordan,
who may literally be the worst runner-up in the history of the show.  In
the episode where Ghandia got voted out, Clay incurred the wrath of Jeff
when he wrote "Denver Diva" instead of Ghandia's name, prompting Jeff to
effectively say on air don't ever do that again.
It was a terrible, terrible season, and I seriously wonder how well
Brian would have done in any other season.  If he barely beats a fellow
sleazeball like Clay Jordan 4-3, I seriously wonder if he would even
have made the finals on any other year.
That season was a train wreck which makes Heidek's win even more
impressive as far as I'm concerned. It was amazing he was able to
control enough of that cast to get to the end and win.

I agree with you about Clay. He never would have been cast in the New
Era. I also remember Ghandia. She tried to ruin Ted's life by accusing
him of being sexually inappropriate. From what I recall, she asked him
to spoon her to keep her warm and then used that against them. She was
just as disgusting as Clay.
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Brian
Zeppo
2024-11-30 00:56:10 UTC
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I don't know anyone chomping at the bit to see attempted puppy killer
and former porn star Brian Heidik play again.
Ha Ha! I plead guilty to chomping at the bit. :-). Heidik was one of
my favourite players.
Zeppo
2024-11-30 00:44:22 UTC
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Interesting that two of the people on
your list have only played once. I'd say most fans (hardcore) would love
to see Tom and Heidik play again.
Westman did play a second time in “Heroes vs. Villains” but he was a very
early boot. Heidik has been in Probst’s doghouse for many years.
Zeppo
2024-11-30 00:44:22 UTC
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Interesting that two of the people on
your list have only played once. I'd say most fans (hardcore) would love
to see Tom and Heidik play again.
Westman did play a second time in “Heroes vs. Villains” but he was a very
early boot. Heidik has been in Probst’s doghouse for many years.
Zeppo
2024-11-29 21:31:20 UTC
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I still say Andy is getting a loser edit. They spent a lot of time
showing Andy bragging about controlling the vote, then it turns out no
one votes with him.
Actually, with the exceptions of the tie vote on Day 15 and the Kyle
vote, he has always been on the right side of the votes.
Based on the edits we are seeing,
I have to think Rachel or possibly Teeny or Caroline are the likely
winners in that order.
Christeenie? Wow, that’s a bold prediction! I like her, but have seen
nothing in her edit to indicate that she will have a serious impact on
the end game. OTOH, she received a back story segment which
may be significant. IIRC, Caroline and Rachel are the only other
remaining players who we have any biographical information on.
OTOH, we know next to nothing about Sam, Genevieve, or Andy’s
real lives. It’s not that I care about what they do IRL, but devoting
episode time to a player’s back story often ties into some aspect of
their game story.
Rick
2024-11-29 21:44:07 UTC
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I still say Andy is getting a loser edit. They spent a lot of time
showing Andy bragging about controlling the vote, then it turns out no
one votes with him.
Actually, with the exceptions of the tie vote on Day 15 and the Kyle
vote, he has always been on the right side of the votes.
Based on the edits we are seeing,
I have to think Rachel or possibly Teeny or Caroline are the likely
winners in that order.
Christeenie? Wow, that’s a bold prediction! I like her, but have seen
nothing in her edit to indicate that she will have a serious impact on
the end game. OTOH, she received a back story segment which
may be significant. IIRC, Caroline and Rachel are the only other
remaining players who we have any biographical information on.
OTOH, we know next to nothing about Sam, Genevieve, or Andy’s
real lives. It’s not that I care about what they do IRL, but devoting
episode time to a player’s back story often ties into some aspect of
their game story.
Yeah, I do think Teeny has a shot. I can't quite put my finger on it,
but there's something in the way she's been edited that seems really
favorable. She gets a lot of confessionals, and they seem to be done in
a way that makes her seem genuine and serious in her approach to the game.
Brian Smith
2024-11-29 22:07:23 UTC
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I still say Andy is getting a loser edit. They spent a lot of time
showing Andy bragging about controlling the vote, then it turns out no
one votes with him.
Actually, with the exceptions of the tie vote on Day 15 and the Kyle
vote, he has always been on the right side of the votes.
Based on the edits we are seeing,
I have to think Rachel or possibly Teeny or Caroline are the likely
winners in that order.
Christeenie? Wow, that’s a bold prediction! I like her, but have seen
nothing in her edit to indicate that she will have a serious impact on
the end game. OTOH, she received a back story segment which
may be significant. IIRC, Caroline and Rachel are the only other
remaining players who we have any biographical information on.
OTOH, we know next to nothing about Sam, Genevieve, or Andy’s
real lives. It’s not that I care about what they do IRL, but devoting
episode time to a player’s back story often ties into some aspect of
their game story.
Yeah, I do think Teeny has a shot.  I can't quite put my finger on it,
but there's something in the way she's been edited that seems really
favorable.  She gets a lot of confessionals, and they seem to be done in
a way that makes her seem genuine and serious in her approach to the game.
Could the same not be said about Caroline?
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Brian
Rick
2024-11-29 22:38:46 UTC
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Post by Zeppo
I still say Andy is getting a loser edit. They spent a lot of time
showing Andy bragging about controlling the vote, then it turns out no
one votes with him.
Actually, with the exceptions of the tie vote on Day 15 and the Kyle
vote, he has always been on the right side of the votes.
Based on the edits we are seeing,
I have to think Rachel or possibly Teeny or Caroline are the likely
winners in that order.
Christeenie? Wow, that’s a bold prediction! I like her, but have seen
nothing in her edit to indicate that she will have a serious impact on
the end game. OTOH, she received a back story segment which
may be significant. IIRC, Caroline and Rachel are the only other
remaining players who we have any biographical information on.
OTOH, we know next to nothing about Sam, Genevieve, or Andy’s
real lives. It’s not that I care about what they do IRL, but devoting
episode time to a player’s back story often ties into some aspect of
their game story.
Yeah, I do think Teeny has a shot.  I can't quite put my finger on it,
but there's something in the way she's been edited that seems really
favorable.  She gets a lot of confessionals, and they seem to be done
in a way that makes her seem genuine and serious in her approach to
the game.
Could the same not be said about Caroline?
Yes, my comment which Zeppo quoted was:

"I have to think Rachel or possibly Teeny or Caroline are the likely
winners in that order."
Brian Smith
2024-11-29 23:16:20 UTC
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Post by Zeppo
I still say Andy is getting a loser edit. They spent a lot of time
showing Andy bragging about controlling the vote, then it turns out no
one votes with him.
Actually, with the exceptions of the tie vote on Day 15 and the Kyle
vote, he has always been on the right side of the votes.
Based on the edits we are seeing,
I have to think Rachel or possibly Teeny or Caroline are the likely
winners in that order.
Christeenie? Wow, that’s a bold prediction! I like her, but have seen
nothing in her edit to indicate that she will have a serious impact on
the end game. OTOH, she received a back story segment which
may be significant. IIRC, Caroline and Rachel are the only other
remaining players who we have any biographical information on.
OTOH, we know next to nothing about Sam, Genevieve, or Andy’s
real lives. It’s not that I care about what they do IRL, but devoting
episode time to a player’s back story often ties into some aspect of
their game story.
Yeah, I do think Teeny has a shot.  I can't quite put my finger on
it, but there's something in the way she's been edited that seems
really favorable.  She gets a lot of confessionals, and they seem to
be done in a way that makes her seem genuine and serious in her
approach to the game.
Could the same not be said about Caroline?
"I have to think Rachel or possibly Teeny or Caroline are the likely
winners in that order."
Missed that.
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Brian
Brian Smith
2024-11-29 22:04:25 UTC
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I still say Andy is getting a loser edit. They spent a lot of time
showing Andy bragging about controlling the vote, then it turns out no
one votes with him.
Actually, with the exceptions of the tie vote on Day 15 and the Kyle
vote, he has always been on the right side of the votes.
Based on the edits we are seeing,
I have to think Rachel or possibly Teeny or Caroline are the likely
winners in that order.
Christeenie? Wow, that’s a bold prediction! I like her, but have seen
nothing in her edit to indicate that she will have a serious impact on
the end game. OTOH, she received a back story segment which
may be significant. IIRC, Caroline and Rachel are the only other
remaining players who we have any biographical information on.
OTOH, we know next to nothing about Sam, Genevieve, or Andy’s
real lives. It’s not that I care about what they do IRL, but devoting
episode time to a player’s back story often ties into some aspect of
their game story.
When did they do a segment on Rachel? She's mentioned her husband a few
times but other than that what do we know about her?
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Brian
Zeppo
2024-11-30 01:13:48 UTC
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When did they do a segment on Rachel? She's mentioned her husband a few
times but other than that what do we know about her?
Her back story segment was pretty thin. But in one of the episodes she talked
about her childhood (either in confessional or in conversation with another
player)
and that she had lived in Thailand, and how her father moved the family to
Michigan when she was young. As I said, “thin”. But we know a hell of a
lot
more about her pre-Survivor than we do about Sam, Genevieve, or Andy.
It’s like those three are just “game bots” that were dropped on the
island from
deep space. :-)
Brian Smith
2024-11-30 01:25:17 UTC
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Post by Brian Smith
When did they do a segment on Rachel? She's mentioned her husband a few
times but other than that what do we know about her?
Her back story segment was pretty thin. But in one of the episodes she talked
about her childhood (either in confessional or in conversation with another
player)
and that she had lived in Thailand, and how her father moved the family to
Michigan when she was young. As I said, “thin”. But we know a hell of a
lot
more about her pre-Survivor than we do about Sam, Genevieve, or Andy.
It’s like those three are just “game bots” that were dropped on the
island from
deep space. :-)
Now I remember! And she a make a joke to Sol about Asians always owning
a store.

This might be common knowledge, but I was surprised to discover the
other day that Gen's from Winnipeg. She should be handling the
unseasonably cold Fijian winter a lot better than she is.
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Brian
Zeppo
2024-11-30 07:09:32 UTC
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Post by Zeppo
Post by Brian Smith
When did they do a segment on Rachel? She's mentioned her husband a few
times but other than that what do we know about her?
Her back story segment was pretty thin. But in one of the episodes she talked
about her childhood (either in confessional or in conversation with another
player)
and that she had lived in Thailand, and how her father moved the family to
Michigan when she was young. As I said, “thin”. But we know a hell of a
lot
more about her pre-Survivor than we do about Sam, Genevieve, or Andy.
It’s like those three are just “game bots” that were dropped on the
island from
deep space. :-)
Now I remember! And she a make a joke to Sol about Asians always owning
a store.
Ha! I don’t remember that, but it sounds like something that either of them
would say.
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This might be common knowledge, but I was surprised to discover the
other day that Gen's from Winnipeg. She should be handling the
unseasonably cold Fijian winter a lot better than she is.
Yes, I knew that, and I am also aware of her profession.
Brian Smith
2024-11-30 08:37:56 UTC
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Post by Brian Smith
Post by Zeppo
Post by Brian Smith
When did they do a segment on Rachel? She's mentioned her husband a few
times but other than that what do we know about her?
Her back story segment was pretty thin. But in one of the episodes she talked
about her childhood (either in confessional or in conversation with another
player)
and that she had lived in Thailand, and how her father moved the family to
Michigan when she was young. As I said, “thin”. But we know a hell of a
lot
more about her pre-Survivor than we do about Sam, Genevieve, or Andy.
It’s like those three are just “game bots” that were dropped on the
island from
deep space. :-)
Now I remember! And she a make a joke to Sol about Asians always owning
a store.
Ha! I don’t remember that, but it sounds like something that either of them
would say.
A number of them were in the shelter and those two were talking quietly
to each other.
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Post by Brian Smith
This might be common knowledge, but I was surprised to discover the
other day that Gen's from Winnipeg. She should be handling the
unseasonably cold Fijian winter a lot better than she is.
Yes, I knew that, and I am also aware of her profession.
Being a corporate lawyer is probably why we don't know much about Gen. I
know she's not on X as people have asked other players to tell her to
set up an account. She is on IG but her account is set to private.
Surprisingly, at least to me, Caroline's nowhere to be found on social
media. Could be a sign she backstabs Sue at the end and is afraid of the
backlash.
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Zeppo
2024-11-29 02:53:52 UTC
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Do you know if Jeff's been
asked how long Rachel had to solve that puzzle?
No, but I don’t really search that kind of information
out until the season is over.
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Caroline for sure would have been distracted.
Kyle probably would have been able to maintain
his focus, but I don’t know whether he would
have been able to solve the puzzle in time.

Can you imagine if Andy was on that raft?
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Do you think they're not shown all the votes?
That’s a good point. I have always assumed that when
Probst says, “That’s enough” and asks the unfortunate
player to grab his/her torch, tribal council is essentially
over. However, the viewing audience gets to see all
the votes, even the ones that Probst did not read,
after the “next on” segment. So it is possible that Probst
shares them with the players and jury off camera. If
that is, in fact, the case, then Rachel might have some
explaining to do.
Post by Brian Smith
He was annoying during that challenge which seemed to go on for quite
some time. At times it sounded like he was trying to jinx the person in
the lead.
Probst’s demeanour has changed remarkably over the 24 years that
he has been the host of Survivor. How much he has changed was
really made clear to me after E07. After seeing Amanda in the green
track suit, I was inspired to watch the TC from S16 during which she
does the “idol dance”. It did not disappoint, but what I was really
struck by was how understated and professional Probst was. There
was no goofing around, no wisecracks, he barely even cracked a
smile. He just kept things moving and let the players have "centre
stage”. Unfortunately, at some point during the intervening years, he
began to act as if he was the star of the show rather than the players.
I just hadn’t realized how much his approach to hosting had changed
until I had the chance to see his earlier incarnation.
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Andy's too focused on payback. It'll be interesting to see if he admits
to Gen that he voted to boot her.
Putting his vote on Genevieve was a really dumb thing to do IMO.
It made him look selfish and unreliable, and will very likely affect his
relationship with his alliance partners. But I’m sure that he didn’t
see things that way.
Post by Brian Smith
Hopefully at one point we find out why Sue hates him so much.
On day 5, Kyle put a vote on Sue, and on day 6 he implied that
she and Caroline were goats.
Post by Brian Smith
If Kyle had made it F3 he would have had a good shot at winning. I don't
think he would beat Rachel. Rachel seems very well-liked and has a great
balanced resume which I think she could sell to the jury. I also think
Gen would beat Kyle. She might not be as well-liked but she's respected.
She's also more than capable of selling her game to the jury.
I agree.
Rick
2024-11-29 03:37:09 UTC
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Post by Brian Smith
Do you know if Jeff's been
asked how long Rachel had to solve that puzzle?
No, but I don’t really search that kind of information
out until the season is over.
Post by Brian Smith
Caroline for sure would have been distracted.
Kyle probably would have been able to maintain
his focus, but I don’t know whether he would
have been able to solve the puzzle in time.
Can you imagine if Andy was on that raft?
Post by Brian Smith
Do you think they're not shown all the votes?
That’s a good point. I have always assumed that when
Probst says, “That’s enough” and asks the unfortunate
player to grab his/her torch, tribal council is essentially
over. However, the viewing audience gets to see all
the votes, even the ones that Probst did not read,
after the “next on” segment. So it is possible that Probst
shares them with the players and jury off camera. If
that is, in fact, the case, then Rachel might have some
explaining to do.
I'm pretty sure the players at TC only see the votes Jeff reads.
Post by Zeppo
Post by Brian Smith
He was annoying during that challenge which seemed to go on for quite
some time. At times it sounded like he was trying to jinx the person in
the lead.
Probst’s demeanour has changed remarkably over the 24 years that
he has been the host of Survivor. How much he has changed was
really made clear to me after E07. After seeing Amanda in the green
track suit, I was inspired to watch the TC from S16 during which she
does the “idol dance”. It did not disappoint, but what I was really
struck by was how understated and professional Probst was. There
was no goofing around, no wisecracks, he barely even cracked a
smile. He just kept things moving and let the players have "centre
stage”. Unfortunately, at some point during the intervening years, he
began to act as if he was the star of the show rather than the players.
I just hadn’t realized how much his approach to hosting had changed
until I had the chance to see his earlier incarnation.
Watch some immunity challenges from the early seasons. There is no Jeff
commentary at all. Here is the very first IC.



If I'm remembering right, Jeff didn't even do full play-by-play until S5
(Thailand), though he had started to comment a bit the previous season
in Marquesas.

He also didn't host the reunion shows after the final vote reveal until
Thailand. Rosie O'Donnell hosted after Marquesas (S4), which was
frankly a disaster, and before that the first three season reunions were
hosted by Bryant Gumbel.
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Post by Brian Smith
Andy's too focused on payback. It'll be interesting to see if he admits
to Gen that he voted to boot her.
Putting his vote on Genevieve was a really dumb thing to do IMO.
It made him look selfish and unreliable, and will very likely affect his
relationship with his alliance partners. But I’m sure that he didn’t
see things that way.
Post by Brian Smith
Hopefully at one point we find out why Sue hates him so much.
On day 5, Kyle put a vote on Sue, and on day 6 he implied that
she and Caroline were goats.
Post by Brian Smith
If Kyle had made it F3 he would have had a good shot at winning. I don't
think he would beat Rachel. Rachel seems very well-liked and has a great
balanced resume which I think she could sell to the jury. I also think
Gen would beat Kyle. She might not be as well-liked but she's respected.
She's also more than capable of selling her game to the jury.
I agree.
Zeppo
2024-11-29 20:29:49 UTC
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Watch some immunity challenges from the early seasons. There is no Jeff
commentary at all. Here is the very first IC.
http://youtu.be/-9q_NWEpGSY
Mmmm..Colleen Haskell.
shawn
2024-11-30 00:15:07 UTC
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Post by Zeppo
Watch some immunity challenges from the early seasons. There is no Jeff
commentary at all. Here is the very first IC.
http://youtu.be/-9q_NWEpGSY
Mmmm..Colleen Haskell.
Though in that challenge there really wasn't much of a chance for Jeff
to add any commentary to the challenge except for at the end when it
was already clear which team had the advantage.
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